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ArrowheadHawk · 08:13 PM

#1 Seed South Region (31-5,14-4,5-0)

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Thu, March 14 TT at Kansas (W 91-63)
Fri, March 15 Iowa State at Kansas (W 88-73)
Sat, March 15 Kansas State at Kansas (W 70-54)
Fri, March 22 (16)Western Kentucky vs (1)Kansas (W 64-57)
Sun, March 24 (8)UNC vs (1)Kansas (W 70-58)
Fri, March 29 (4)Michigan at (1)Kansas Cowboys Stadium, Arlington, TX 6:37PM

ReynardMuldrake · 03-27-2013, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I think playing in football stadiums is just ****ing ignorant. I understand why (obvoiusly $$$) but as a fan going to the game, unless you pay out the ****ing ass you're going to get a horrible seat.

It's ridiculous. The court looks like a postage stamp in that place.

BourbonMan · 03-27-2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

10 yrs at VCU? Right there tells you he's not ready for the big time and pressure it takes to be the HC at a school like UCLA. He's thinking he can dominate in a smaller picture.

But whatever...I think he can recruit LA and make UCLA a damn good program again...but it looks like he's just a huge pussy. You don't coach basketball in the NCAA to end up at schools like VCU. JMO

Uhm, Yea, whatever...You could say the same thing about SELF, He has no interest in going to the NBA.

Chiefs Pantalones · 03-27-2013, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BourbonMan

Uhm, Yea, whatever...You could say the same thing about SELF, He has no interest in going to the NBA.

Not the same. Self has a better job than a lot of NBA coaches.

BourbonMan · 03-27-2013, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

Not the same. Self has a better job than a lot of NBA coaches.

Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great coach...But a better job, how? Just because he has a winning record, lots of freaking money? By not taking a chance to coach in the NBA, He is pussing out.

**RealSNR** · 03-27-2013, 08:41 PM

Become a college coaching legend.

Get fired from an NBA team within 5 years all because it's a ****ing crapshoot to drawing and developing a team with enough star power to win a championship.

HMMMMM....

Chiefs Pantalones · 03-27-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BourbonMan

Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great coach...But a better job, how? Just because he has a winning record, lots of freaking money? By not taking a chance to coach in the NBA, He is pussing out.

Not sure how long you've been watching basketball but FYI KU is a pretty good job. Just a little bit though lol. Not a top job at all. Not a blue blood or one of the greatest programs of all time at all.

All kidding aside, Self said himself that he has it better than a lot of NBA coaches. Unless you're a MU fan or in complete denial or a sports reerun you know Self has a point.

Chiefs Pantalones · 03-27-2013, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Become a college coaching legend.

Get fired from an NBA team within 5 years all because it's a ****ing crapshoot to drawing and developing a team with enough star power to win a championship.

HMMMMM....

Coaching for a blue blood is the top of college coaching. That's why we've only had eight coaches in our 115 year history. You take off your coat and stay awhile here.

Al Czervik · 03-27-2013, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BourbonMan

Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great coach...But a better job, how? Just because he has a winning record, lots of freaking money? By not taking a chance to coach in the NBA, He is pussing out.

Only from the lips of a MuRON

BourbonMan · 03-27-2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

Not sure how long you've been watching basketball but FYI KU is a pretty good job. Just a little bit though lol. Not a top job at all. Not a blue blood or one of the greatest programs of all time at all.

All kidding aside, Self said himself that he has it better than a lot of NBA coaches. Unless you're a MU fan or in complete denial or a sports reerun you know Self has a point.

I've been watching for quite awhile and I do agree with what your saying. All I'm saying, is by not taking a chance to go to the next level, your contempt to stay where at and bask in the glory of mediocraty(SP).

Chiefs Pantalones · 03-27-2013, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BourbonMan

I've been watching for quite awhile and I do agree with what your saying. All I'm saying, is by not taking a chance to go to the next level, your contempt to stay where at and bask in the glory of mediocraty(SP).

How is staying at a perennial national title contender considered mediocrity in anyone's eyes? Winning, no matter the level, is winning.

I find this post in contempt.

Demonpenz · 03-27-2013, 09:13 PM

Bill Self coaching in the nba.

Bill Self on coaching Rasheed Wallace.

Self: Now Rasheed you got good post moves, but you are being dumb by shooting threes. What we need you to do is..
Wallace: AWW coach dis is some bullshit. I make it rain from the arc. You dumb..and I tell you want....that weave on your head is straight up stank...
*Team mates OHHHHHHHhH*

BourbonMan · 03-27-2013, 09:16 PM

Early coaching jobs

After a successful playing career as Oklahoma High School Basketball Player of the Year in 1981 at Edmond Memorial High School, Self played for Paul Hansen's Oklahoma State Cowboys before joining Larry Brown's coaching staff at the University of Kansas, replacing John Calipari when Calipari accepted a position as Assistant Coach at the University of Pittsburgh. Self remained at Kansas as an Assistant Coach for the 1985–1986 season. Between 1986 and 1993, Self was an assistant coach at Oklahoma State University under Leonard Hamilton, followed by Eddie Sutton.

[edit] Oral Roberts

After Oral Roberts University (ORU) compiled a 5–22 record in the 1992–1993 season, the worst in its history, Bill Self was hired as its head coach. In his first season at ORU, the team managed only six wins/victories. Things improved slightly the following year, when ORU won ten games. In Self's third season, he guided the Golden Eagles to an 18–9 record, and in his fourth season, (1996–1997), ORU registered a 21–7 record as the school made its first postseason tournament appearance since its 1983–1984 appearance in the National Invitation Tournament.[6]

[edit] Tulsa

After rebuilding the Golden Eagles, Self was hired by crosstown rival the University of Tulsa and spent three seasons (1998 to 2000) there, compiling a Tulsa-best 74–27 record. While at TU, Self coached the Hurricane to consecutive NCAA tournament appearances in 1999 and 2000. In the 1999-2000 season, in addition to setting a school single-season record for victories by compiling a 32-5 record, Self led the Golden Hurricane to its first-ever Elite Eight appearance.[7]

[edit] Illinois

On June 9, 2000, the University of Illinois named Bill Self the head coach of their basketball program. Self's predecessor, Lon Kruger, had recently left the Illinois program to accept a job in the NBA as head coach of the Atlanta Hawks.

In 2001, his first season at Illinois, Self coached a squad of mostly Lon Kruger recruits to a 27-8 record (13-3 conference record), a share of the Big Ten title, and a final Associated Press ranking of 4th in the nation, resulting in the Fighting Illini earning a number '1' seed in the NCAA Tournament. Self coached Illinois guards Frank Williams and Cory Bradford, along with guard/forward Sergio McClain, forward Brian Cook, and center Marcus Griffin, to the Elite Eight in the NCAA Tournament. The Illini failed to advance beyond the Elite Eight after falling to eventual tournament finalists number '2' seeded Arizona. The '01 Illini roster included future NBA players Frank Williams, Robert Archibald and Brian Cook. With mostly the same core, Illinois followed up the season with impressive 2002 and 2003 campaigns, but fell in the NCAA Tournament sweet 16 in 2002 to the University of Kansas, and the second round in 2003 to the University of Notre Dame.

After the 2003 season, Roy Williams left the University of Kansas to take over at North Carolina. This vacancy left many speculating that Self would take what was well-publicized as his "dream job" with the Jayhawks. Self told a large group of Illini supporters that he was happy at Illinois, but he did not close the door on the move.[8] Self left for Kansas just a few days later.

Self was responsible for the recruitment of many of the 2005 Fighting Illini team which won the Big Ten title under Bruce Weber.[9] Bruce Weber replaced Self prior to the 2004 season and coached the 2005 Fighting Illini, almost exclusively Self's recruits, to an NCAA record tying 37–2 record after falling to North Carolina in the NCAA championship game. Players Self recruited and developed on that team included four eventual NBA draft picks, New Jersey Nets guard Deron Williams, Dee Brown, Luther Head and James Augustine.[9]

Self also secured a verbal commitment from forward Charlie Villanueva, who was a projected 1st round pick in the NBA draft out of high school. After Self left for Kansas, and after a tornado struck Lawrence during his visit,[10] Villanueva decided not to follow Self to Kansas and opted to attend the University of Connecticut.

In Self's three seasons in Illinois, he led the Fighting Illini to two Big Ten regular-season championships, a Big Ten Tournament title, and three straight NCAA tournament appearances. His record was 78–24 in that span, the best three-season run in Illinois' history until it was surpassed by Illinois' subsequent coach Bruce Weber soon thereafter

And the years at KU...And I probably shouldn't have use the word mediocrity, but why not take the chance to become LEGENDARY, What's he got to lose, unless he is contempt to be just a College Coach and yes, probably getting more Money and Perks than most NBA coaches and Players.

ChiefsFanatic · 03-27-2013, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

Shaka Smart loves him the small time. Turns down UCLA, signs extension with VCU.

Some may say that turning down UCLA for VCU is crazy, but its pretty smart. UCLA has expectations. He is already golden at VCU.

He can accept athletes with lower academic histories, and after going to the Final Four, his margin for error is probably 25 times what it would be at UCLA.

He is making 1.5 million dollars a year for at least the next 10 years. He could never get back to the Final Four, and retire a very rich person. Howland won something like 233 games in the last 10 years. If Smart does that at VCU, he will be getting another 10 year extension. Sometime in the future VCU may end up playing on Shaka Smart Court.

But at UCLA he could work there 10 years, go to 3 Final Fours, and win his conference championship and finish 25-10 in his final season, and still get fired.

Braincase · 03-27-2013, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BourbonMan

Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great coach...But a better job, how? Just because he has a winning record, lots of freaking money? By not taking a chance to coach in the NBA, He is pussing out.

One of the stupidest things ever said on this board. Job security at 3.75 mill a year? What the turnover like in the NBA? Give me the names of the bottom 10 NBA coaches. Are they doing better than Bill?

Keep your ignorant comments over in the Mizzou annd KState threads.

**Bearcat** · 03-27-2013, 10:32 PM

Thinking Self or Smart are 'pussing out' or whatever is freakin' ridiculous.... give me a ****ing break, if anything, those guys would have a hard time holding back their ego. It's much more logical to assume that maybe they've actually analyzed their situations and have weighed their options with family, job security, etc; in mind, and their current job is simply the better fit.

Oh yeah, tell me more about this scared shitless coach who has won everywhere he's been...

10-16-2012, 06:41 PM
ArrowheadHawk Rock Chalk! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Casino cash: $8004961	** OFFICIAL 2012-2013 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread #1 Seed South Region (31-5,14-4,5-0) Roster Spoiler! 1 Naadir Tharpe Guard 5-11 170 So. 2 Rio Adams Guard 6-3 190 Fr. 3 Andrew White III Guard 6-6 210 Fr. 4 Justin Wesley Forward 6-9 220 RS Jr. 5 Jeff Withey Center 7-0 235 RS Sr. 10 Evan Manning Guard 6-3 170 Fr. 11 Tyler Self Guard 6-2 165 Fr. 15 Elijah Johnson Guard 6-4 195 Sr. 20 Niko Roberts Guard 5-11 175 Jr. 21 Christian Garrett Guard 6-3 185 So. 23 Ben McLemore Guard 6-5 195 RS Fr. 24 Travis Releford Guard 6-6 210 RS Sr. 31 Jamari Traylor Forward 6-8 220 RS Fr. 32 Zach Peters Forward 6-9 240 Fr. 33 Landen Lucas Forward 6-10 240 Fr. 34 Perry Ellis Forward 6-8 225 Fr. 40 Kevin Young Forward 6-8 190 Sr. Non-Con Schedule Spoiler! Fri, Nov. 9 SE Missouri State at Kansas (W 74-55) Tue, Nov. 13 Michigan St. at Kansas Atlanta, Ga. (L 64-67) Thu, Nov. 15 UTC at Kansas (W 69-55) Mon, Nov. 19 Washington State at Kansas Sprint Center (W 78-41) Tue, Nov. 20 St. Louis at Kansas Sprint Center (W 73-59) Mon, Nov. 26 SJSU at Kansas (W 70-57) Fri, Nov. 30 Oregon State at Kansas (W 84-78) Sat, Dec. 8 Colorado at Kansas (W 90-54) Sat, Dec. 15 Belmont at Kansas (W 89-60) Tue, Dec. 18 Richmond at Kansas (W 87-59) Sat, Dec. 22 Kansas at Ohio St. (W 74-66) Sat, Dec. 29 American at Kansas (W 89-57) Sun, Jan. 6 Temple at Kansas (W 69-62) Conference Schedule Spoiler! Wed, Jan. 9 Iowa State at Kansas (W 97-89 ) Sat, Jan. 12 Kansas at TT (W 60-46) Mon, Jan. 14 Baylor at Kansas (W 61-44) Sat, Jan. 19 Kansas at Texas (W 64-59) Tue, Jan. 22 Kansas at Kansas State (W 59-55) Sat, Jan. 26 Oklahoma at Kansas (W 67-54) Mon, Jan. 28 Kansas at West Virginia (W 61-56) Sat, Feb. 2 Okla. St. at Kansas (L 80-85) Wed, Feb. 6 Kansas at TCU (L 55-62) Sat, Feb. 9 Kansas at Oklahoma (L 66-72) Mon, Feb. 11 Kansas State at Kansas (W 83-62) Sat, Feb. 16 Texas at Kansas (W 73-47) Wed, Feb. 20 Kansas at Okla. St. (W 68-67) Sat, Feb. 23 TCU at Kansas (W 74-48) Mon, Feb. 25 Kansas at Iowa State (W 108-96) Sat, March 2 West Virginia at Kansas (W 91-65) Mon, March 4 TT at Kansas (W 79-42) Sat, March 9 Kansas at Baylor (L 58-81) Post Season** Thu, March 14 TT at Kansas (W 91-63) Fri, March 15 Iowa State at Kansas (W 88-73) Sat, March 15 Kansas State at Kansas (W 70-54) Fri, March 22 (16)Western Kentucky vs (1)Kansas (W 64-57) Sun, March 24 (8)UNC vs (1)Kansas (W 70-58) Fri, March 29 (4)Michigan at (1)Kansas Cowboys Stadium, Arlington, TX 6:37PM Last edited by ArrowheadHawk; 03-26-2013 at 08:13 PM..
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03-27-2013, 09:13 PM	#6491
Demonpenz I got Rice cookin in the micro Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Apartment "G UNIT!" Casino cash: $3162136	Bill Self coaching in the nba. Bill Self on coaching Rasheed Wallace. Self: Now Rasheed you got good post moves, but you are being dumb by shooting threes. What we need you to do is.. Wallace: AWW coach dis is some bullshit. I make it rain from the arc. You dumb..and I tell you want....that weave on your head is straight up stank... Team mates OHHHHHHHhH __________________
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03-27-2013, 09:16 PM	#6492
BourbonMan The Dude Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: topeka Casino cash: $10004900	Early coaching jobs After a successful playing career as Oklahoma High School Basketball Player of the Year in 1981 at Edmond Memorial High School, Self played for Paul Hansen's Oklahoma State Cowboys before joining Larry Brown's coaching staff at the University of Kansas, replacing John Calipari when Calipari accepted a position as Assistant Coach at the University of Pittsburgh. Self remained at Kansas as an Assistant Coach for the 1985–1986 season. Between 1986 and 1993, Self was an assistant coach at Oklahoma State University under Leonard Hamilton, followed by Eddie Sutton. [edit] Oral Roberts After Oral Roberts University (ORU) compiled a 5–22 record in the 1992–1993 season, the worst in its history, Bill Self was hired as its head coach. In his first season at ORU, the team managed only six wins/victories. Things improved slightly the following year, when ORU won ten games. In Self's third season, he guided the Golden Eagles to an 18–9 record, and in his fourth season, (1996–1997), ORU registered a 21–7 record as the school made its first postseason tournament appearance since its 1983–1984 appearance in the National Invitation Tournament.[6] [edit] Tulsa After rebuilding the Golden Eagles, Self was hired by crosstown rival the University of Tulsa and spent three seasons (1998 to 2000) there, compiling a Tulsa-best 74–27 record. While at TU, Self coached the Hurricane to consecutive NCAA tournament appearances in 1999 and 2000. In the 1999-2000 season, in addition to setting a school single-season record for victories by compiling a 32-5 record, Self led the Golden Hurricane to its first-ever Elite Eight appearance.[7] [edit] Illinois On June 9, 2000, the University of Illinois named Bill Self the head coach of their basketball program. Self's predecessor, Lon Kruger, had recently left the Illinois program to accept a job in the NBA as head coach of the Atlanta Hawks. In 2001, his first season at Illinois, Self coached a squad of mostly Lon Kruger recruits to a 27-8 record (13-3 conference record), a share of the Big Ten title, and a final Associated Press ranking of 4th in the nation, resulting in the Fighting Illini earning a number '1' seed in the NCAA Tournament. Self coached Illinois guards Frank Williams and Cory Bradford, along with guard/forward Sergio McClain, forward Brian Cook, and center Marcus Griffin, to the Elite Eight in the NCAA Tournament. The Illini failed to advance beyond the Elite Eight after falling to eventual tournament finalists number '2' seeded Arizona. The '01 Illini roster included future NBA players Frank Williams, Robert Archibald and Brian Cook. With mostly the same core, Illinois followed up the season with impressive 2002 and 2003 campaigns, but fell in the NCAA Tournament sweet 16 in 2002 to the University of Kansas, and the second round in 2003 to the University of Notre Dame. After the 2003 season, Roy Williams left the University of Kansas to take over at North Carolina. This vacancy left many speculating that Self would take what was well-publicized as his "dream job" with the Jayhawks. Self told a large group of Illini supporters that he was happy at Illinois, but he did not close the door on the move.[8] Self left for Kansas just a few days later. Self was responsible for the recruitment of many of the 2005 Fighting Illini team which won the Big Ten title under Bruce Weber.[9] Bruce Weber replaced Self prior to the 2004 season and coached the 2005 Fighting Illini, almost exclusively Self's recruits, to an NCAA record tying 37–2 record after falling to North Carolina in the NCAA championship game. Players Self recruited and developed on that team included four eventual NBA draft picks, New Jersey Nets guard Deron Williams, Dee Brown, Luther Head and James Augustine.[9] Self also secured a verbal commitment from forward Charlie Villanueva, who was a projected 1st round pick in the NBA draft out of high school. After Self left for Kansas, and after a tornado struck Lawrence during his visit,[10] Villanueva decided not to follow Self to Kansas and opted to attend the University of Connecticut. In Self's three seasons in Illinois, he led the Fighting Illini to two Big Ten regular-season championships, a Big Ten Tournament title, and three straight NCAA tournament appearances. His record was 78–24 in that span, the best three-season run in Illinois' history until it was surpassed by Illinois' subsequent coach Bruce Weber soon thereafter And the years at KU...And I probably shouldn't have use the word mediocrity, but why not take the chance to become LEGENDARY, What's he got to lose, unless he is contempt to be just a College Coach and yes, probably getting more Money and Perks than most NBA coaches and Players. __________________ FALSE START OFFENSE(EAGLES), EVERYBODY BUT THE CENTER!!!!!
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03-27-2013, 10:32 PM	#6495
Bearcat Would an idiot do that? Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arizona Casino cash: $2854931	Thinking Self or Smart are 'pussing out' or whatever is freakin' ridiculous.... give me a ***ing break, if anything, those guys would have a hard time holding back their ego. It's much more logical to assume that maybe* they've actually analyzed their situations and have weighed their options with family, job security, etc; in mind, and their current job is simply the better fit. Oh yeah, tell me more about this scared shitless coach who has won everywhere he's been... __________________
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