Game of Thrones *Spoiler* Thread

[keg in kc]

There's been some recent confusion with the old spoiler thread, so I'm kicking off a new one for tonight's premiere. This is going to be the one for folks who've read all the books. So anything anybody might want to talk about is in bounds. Suffice to say, if you haven't read the books, you'll probably want to stay out of here until you do...

I'll bump the old spoiler-free thread shortly in case anybody's interested. For future reference the link to that one is here

[buddha]

http://tvrecaps.ew.com/recap/game-of...s-watch-ended/

Terrific episode recap with a ton of details and discussion. Very well written.

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

One of those is wrong? They all look right to me.

Me too. Unless he really thinks Jon Snow is dead and done at end of ADWD (which I don't).

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by NewChief

Me too. Unless he really thinks Jon Snow is dead and done at end of ADWD (which I don't).

I don't know if he's dead or not, but I'm quite certain his story is not over.

Him dying would make sense, so that he can be reborn under the bleeding star (Ser Patrek).

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Hawk

Catelyn may be my least favorite character in the books. She is mean and hateful to Jon Snow even though she claims to be all religious, she let Jaime go and captured Tyrion, two of the dumbest moves in the series, plus she is whiny and mopy all the time which I get given what's happened to her, but is tedious to read. Plus she's just boring. And she did cause a lot of the problems with her own stupid and rash actions. Then she wants to punish Brienne who did nothing but try her hardest to follow Catelyn's orders while risking her life in the process. Don't like Catelyn at all.

Sansa is not nearly as bad as Catelyn, Sansa is just young, spoiled, dumb and naive...at least for now.

That's exactly where I am.

I like Catelyn less than Cersei. She's an idiot and her incessant idiocy has created headache after headache for everyone she's close to. She's also the reason Sansa is how she is.

I've quasi-defendand Sansa all along and will continue to do so. She's just a dumb kid that doesn't know any better but she's learning. As opposed to Catelyn, who's just a spoiled, dried up old woman that's been instrumental in the death and destruction of her house through thinking she's far far smarter than she is.

I wish she'd have stayed dead. Ser Berric was a much more noble character.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's exactly where I am.

I like Catelyn less than Cersei. She's an idiot and her incessant idiocy has created headache after headache for everyone she's close to. She's also the reason Sansa is how she is.

I've quasi-defendand Sansa all along and will continue to do so. She's just a dumb kid that doesn't know any better but she's learning. As opposed to Catelyn, who's just a spoiled, dried up old woman that's been instrumental in the death and destruction of her house through thinking she's far far smarter than she is.

I wish she'd have stayed dead. Ser Berric was a much more noble character.

I kind of like Cersei. She became more likable to me when she was doing unsavory things to protect Tommen rather than Joffrey, and looking back, if her most unlikable characteristic is that she treats her children the same, that's not that bad of a thing.

Also, much of her horribleness seems to stem from her marriage. Given that I feel that Robert is basically scum, I can manage to forgive her for that.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's exactly where I am.

I like Catelyn less than Cersei. She's an idiot and her incessant idiocy has created headache after headache for everyone she's close to. She's also the reason Sansa is how she is.

I've quasi-defendand Sansa all along and will continue to do so. She's just a dumb kid that doesn't know any better but she's learning. As opposed to Catelyn, who's just a spoiled, dried up old woman that's been instrumental in the death and destruction of her house through thinking she's far far smarter than she is.

I wish she'd have stayed dead. Ser Berric was a much more noble character.

I don't disklike her THAT much. Cersei is just vile. The shittiest thing about Catelyn is the way she treated Jon. And while she makes bad decisions that really screw things up, you can mostly understand her motivations. Certainly getting Stannis and Renly to join forces against the Lannisters was the right move, and she at least tried to do that.

I assume the last image of the last scene of last episode this season will be of zombie Catelyn. Should be epic for the n00bs.

DAMMIT I WISH I HADN'T READ THE BOOKS.

[keg in kc]

I've always found Catelyn to be the most sympathetic character in the books. She tries to do the right things, and she's always selfless/supportive of her family no matter the situation. Cersei on the other hand has zero redeeming qualities. At least in the books. On TV they've tried to humanize her with varying degrees of success. Sansa is to me far and away the least interesting character in the books. I get what Martin tried to do with her, the faerie tale princess forced to deal with harsh reality, but it grows tiresome after the initial novel.

[Frazod]

Sansa POV chapters are basically endurance tests. I think I skipped the last couple and read online summaries instead. ****ing stupid bitch.

[MagicHef]

Cersei and Catelyn are the same. They're both fiercely protective of their families, and will treat any other person as a piece of garbage if it means advancing their family's interests.

Catelyn's family is just more likable than Cersei's, but Cersei is more interesting than Catelyn.

[kaplin42]

Originally Posted by NewChief

Me too. Unless he really thinks Jon Snow is dead and done at end of ADWD (which I don't).

That was my impression, he did get stabbed multiple times. But I'm open to why you think he isn't dead. TBH, him and Arya are my favorite characters, so I would prefer it if he wasn't.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by kaplin42

That was my impression, he did get stabbed multiple times. But I'm open to why you think he isn't dead. TBH, him and Arya are my favorite characters, so I would prefer it if he wasn't.

The book never says he died. That's pretty much the gist of why he may not have died.

Personally, I think he did die, but will be reborn under the bleeding star (Ser Patrek) among the salt (tears) and smoke (from his wound). Probably will warg into Ghost and back to himself (Melisandre's vision of Jon turning into a wolf and back to himself).

Or, maybe all of that was a red herring, who knows?

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by kaplin42

That was my impression, he did get stabbed multiple times. But I'm open to why you think he isn't dead. TBH, him and Arya are my favorite characters, so I would prefer it if he wasn't.

See MagicHef's reply. He may have "died," but so did Beric Dondarion, Catelyn, and others... I seriously don't think he's gone for good.

[Frazod]

No POV character since Ned has died. At least not permanently. Even though we have been led to believe on numerous occasions that they were killed at the end of a POV chapter.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Cersei and Catelyn are the same. They're both fiercely protective of their families, and will treat any other person as a piece of garbage if it means advancing their family's interests.

Catelyn's family is just more likable than Cersei's, but Cersei is more interesting than Catelyn.

Cercei would sacrifice anyone for a personal goal, including either of her brothers and had he lived I think Joffrey as well. She acts like it's family with her, but it never has been.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by frazod

I don't disklike her THAT much. Cersei is just vile. The shittiest thing about Catelyn is the way she treated Jon. And while she makes bad decisions that really screw things up, you can mostly understand her motivations. Certainly getting Stannis and Renly to join forces against the Lannisters was the right move, and she at least tried to do that.

I assume the last image of the last scene of last episode this season will be of zombie Catelyn. Should be epic for the n00bs.

DAMMIT I WISH I HADN'T READ THE BOOKS.

But even that was done on the order of Robb.

Anytime she went off and did her own thing, she ****ed it up. She's essentially a housewife that thinks being 'high-born' means she knows shit about shit.

She doesn't. Clearly.