Movies and TV O.J.: Made in America - Page 9

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-15-2016, 06:34 PM

Someone posted a link about it in a thread about the FX docudrama.

I've watched the first three episodes. To this point it is one of the greatest documentaries I've seen and sets the standard for an analysis of the intersection of race, class, and celebrity in America.

Amnorix · 06-16-2016, 02:04 PM

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I remember being shocked at the incompetence of the LAPD during the trial bit after reading the testimony, there's not s doubt in my mind that a jury had reason to acquit.

I also truly believe that Fuhrman not only planted the glove but that he planted the evidence in and around the Ford Bronco.

He was a racist, dirty cop.

Yes, and the real crime is how unnecessary it was. The evidence was overwhelming without his "help".

And many have blamed Marcia Clark and the other prosecutor whose name I am forgetting -- Darmin or whoever. They were handed a shit sandwich and expected to turn it into filet mignon somehow.

I don't think they did an outstanding job, but their issues/problems/mistakes paled in comparison to the LAPD by 1,000 to 1.

**Baby Lee** · 06-16-2016, 02:08 PM

Christopher Darden.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-16-2016, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Yes, and the real crime is how unnecessary it was. The evidence was overwhelming without his "help".

As I mentioned earlier, the LAPD framed a guilty man.

Amnorix · 06-16-2016, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Christopher Darden.

Right, him. Thanks for the reminder.

I've mentioned the new 30 for 30 to my wife, and we will watch it with our boys (aged 15 and 12) who have no knowledge really of the entire OJ thing, of course, given their ages.

Amnorix · 06-16-2016, 02:17 PM

Side note -- I find it crushing, just absolutely crushing, that OJ Simpson and Bill Cosby went from such phenomenal role models for African-Americans to such complete frauds. Especially Cosby. Such a complete shame and waste of their fame, talent and position as potential phenomenal role models.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-16-2016, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Right, him. Thanks for the reminder.

I've mentioned the new 30 for 30 to my wife, and we will watch it with our boys (aged 15 and 12) who have no knowledge really of the entire OJ thing, of course, given their ages.

FYI, Episode 4 has one of the prosecution lawyers detail how he felt the murder went down according to the distribution of physical evidence and wounds to the victims. It is *extremely* graphic, and shows the open, gaping neck wounds to both Goldman and Brown. It's something you might not want a teenager/pre-teen to see.

Re-broadcasts will have the neck wounds edited out.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-16-2016, 02:22 PM

While I still believe that Ron Goldman was a victim of "wrong place, wrong time", there were some very substantial rumors in town after the slayings.

The first of which is that he was actually Nicole and Faye Resnick's cocaine dealer. This really seemed to be a given, as everyone around town knew it. Also, Ron was purportedly a homosexual, which also illustrates OJ's jealousy, that he'd kill a man he believed was banging his ex-wife that was in actuality, gay.

At one point, it was believed that Cochran and the team would use the defense that Resnick's cocaine supplier killed Ron and Nicole but after finding out more about Mark Fuhrman, changed their strategy.

But Cochran still planted the seed with the "Colombian Neck Tie" reference.

Amnorix · 06-16-2016, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

FYI, Episode 4 has one of the prosecution lawyers detail how he felt the murder went down according to the distribution of physical evidence and wounds to the victims. It is *extremely* graphic, and shows the open, gaping neck wounds to both Goldman and Brown. It's something you might not want a teenager/pre-teen to see.

Re-broadcasts will have the neck wounds edited out.

Thank for the heads up. My oldest is pretty inured to physical violence (the sight of blood doesn't bother him) while my youngest is quick to cover his eyes. They're pretty self-regulating in this respect, but I very much appreciate the warning.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-16-2016, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Thank for the heads up. My oldest is pretty inured to physical violence (the sight of blood doesn't bother him) while my youngest is quick to cover his eyes. They're pretty self-regulating in this respect, but I very much appreciate the warning.

FYI, Nicole's head was all but cut off

**Baby Lee** · 06-16-2016, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

FYI, Episode 4 has one of the prosecution lawyers detail how he felt the murder went down according to the distribution of physical evidence and wounds to the victims. It is *extremely* graphic, and shows the open, gaping neck wounds to both Goldman and Brown. It's something you might not want a teenager/pre-teen to see.

Re-broadcasts will have the neck wounds edited out.

Good a place as any to re-post the info that ESPN's app and website are streaming all episodes, at present, for free.

http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index

If only to ask, anyone know if the internet/streaming episodes are censored or uncut?

Amnorix · 06-16-2016, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

FYI, Nicole's head was all but cut off

Yeah, I know it. I will warn them. They can (and likely will) duck / cover their eyes. I will pretty much do the same (I'm not big on seeing extremely graphic violence).

ARROW2 · 06-16-2016, 03:08 PM

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Yeah, here's the thing -- no matter how many other black people were wrongly convicted or lynched or enslaved or WHATEVER else you want to say about their mistreatment (and alot could be said)...

OJ actually did it.

And for some insane reason, black people viewed this as a great victory even though he was guilty, and even though he had long ago turned his back on the black community.

It makes no sense. The black community didn't "win". They didn't get anything that day, except a misplaced feeling of vindication because a murderer escaped justice due to the incompetence and stupidity of cops.

Were you there?

ARROW2 · 06-16-2016, 03:11 PM

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On that, completely and utterly.

You really don't know what a picnic was waaay back in the day?

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-16-2016, 03:58 PM

From Kim Kardashian's GQ Story This Month

http://www.gq.com/story/kim-kardashi...gq-cover-story

Kim: "I know people said at the time that he [joined Simpson's defense team] so he couldn't be called as a witness, because he had that Louis Vuitton bag that supposedly had the [murder] weapon and stuff like that,” said Kim. The day the victims' bodies were discovered, Kardashian was filmed removing what The New York Times referred to as a “bulging” garment bag from Simpson's house; the bag was later introduced into evidence empty. “But that bag was sitting at my dad's house. I remember I went through it. The news was like, ‘Where is this Louis Vuitton bag?’ And I'm like, ‘Oh, it's upstairs.’ ”

Did you really go through it?

Kim: “Totally.”

What was in it?

“Just toiletries and clothes and golf clothes. Just random stuff. I'm pretty sure it's, like, still in—probably in my dad's storage.”

ARROW2 · 06-16-2016, 04:14 PM

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You really don't know what a picnic was waaay back in the day?

You know, when murica was great.....

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8019572	O.J.: Made in America Someone posted a link about it in a thread about the FX docudrama. I've watched the first three episodes. To this point it is one of the greatest documentaries I've seen and sets the standard for an analysis of the intersection of race, class, and celebrity in America.
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DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	While I still believe that Ron Goldman was a victim of "wrong place, wrong time", there were some very substantial rumors in town after the slayings. The first of which is that he was actually Nicole and Faye Resnick's cocaine dealer. This really seemed to be a given, as everyone around town knew it. Also, Ron was purportedly a homosexual, which also illustrates OJ's jealousy, that he'd kill a man he believed was banging his ex-wife that was in actuality, gay. At one point, it was believed that Cochran and the team would use the defense that Resnick's cocaine supplier killed Ron and Nicole but after finding out more about Mark Fuhrman, changed their strategy. But Cochran still planted the seed with the "Colombian Neck Tie" reference.
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06-16-2016, 03:58 PM	#134
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	From Kim Kardashian's GQ Story This Month http://www.gq.com/story/kim-kardashi...gq-cover-story Kim: "I know people said at the time that he [joined Simpson's defense team] so he couldn't be called as a witness, because he had that Louis Vuitton bag that supposedly had the [murder] weapon and stuff like that,” said Kim. The day the victims' bodies were discovered, Kardashian was filmed removing what The New York Times referred to as a “bulging” garment bag from Simpson's house; the bag was later introduced into evidence empty. “But that bag was sitting at my dad's house. I remember I went through it. The news was like, ‘Where is this Louis Vuitton bag?’ And I'm like, ‘Oh, it's upstairs.’ ” Did you really go through it? Kim: “Totally.” What was in it? “Just toiletries and clothes and golf clothes. Just random stuff. I'm pretty sure it's, like, still in—probably in my dad's storage.”
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