****Official Denver vs Oakland Thread****

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Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl

Raiders RB Darren McFadden (high ankle) is active vs. Broncos.




Oakland wins this one for Dennis Allen his father just passed away.

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks

agree to disagree

I think Peyton wins at least 10 games with any team in the NFL...Cleveland, KC, Oakland...Jacksonville...any team.

Peyton is worth 10 wins with 52 other guys off the street.

Fair enough.

[Hootie]

I'm realistic. I grew up hating Denver and Oakland and really, really respecting Peyton Manning (as evidenced by my years and years of arguing the Brady/Manning debate)...

I hate the fact Denver ****ing stumbled into Peyton Manning when we could have had 5 years of Tebow hilarity but now it disgusts me that I enjoy watching that team play (because of Manning) but now we have to have all of their gay fans come and rub it in our faces.

It doesn't matter who we draft or who we get to coach Peyton is going to win 12 games every year with Denver until he retires...

so that means I probably won't see a Chiefs playoff team until I'm in my early to mid 30's...at the god damn earliest.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Miller's a gifted pass rusher but come on...that was a complete whiff by the tackle. He didn't even ****ing touch him.

Are you aware that before the snap both guys were motionless? That's typically how they do it in the NFL.

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I think Aaron Rodgers is the most talented QB I've ever seen.

I think Tom Brady is the fiercest competitor I've ever seen.

I think Peyton Manning is worth more wins by himself then both, though. Just because of the way he runs that offense and the way he controls the clock so magnificently.

So, again, my QB rankings are:

1a. Peyton Manning
1b. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Eli Manning
4. Drew Brees
5. Andrew Luck
6. RGIII
7. Big Ben

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Are you aware that before the snap both guys were motionless? That's typically how they do it in the NFL.

And?

He ducked and ran around the guy. The Raiders tackles SUCK.

I gave Miller his due. But that pic is a bad example.

Stop being a pussy.

[Hootie]

and in terms of TRADE VALUE (age consideration)...

1. Luck
2. Griffin
3. Rodgers
4. Brady
5. Manning
6. E. Manning
7. Big Ben

The other rankings were just my 2012 rankings. It's AMAZING that Luck and Griffin are already TOP TIER NFL QB's. The ****ing Colts have 8 wins. 8! Now I think they've been somewhat lucky but my God...Andrew freaking Luck. I'm so happy we couldn't have tanked one god damn season.

[Hootie]

I think it's hysterical they consider Mike McCoy a head coaching candidate for his work with Tebow and now his work with Manning.

Uh...the reason they lost 3 ****ing games is because he wouldn't let Manning run his own offense and he thought huddling up with Peyton Manning at the helm was a good ****ing idea.

Yeah, that guy. I want nothing to do with that asshole if he truly is a HC candidate.

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks

I think Aaron Rodgers is the most talented QB I've ever seen.

I think Tom Brady is the fiercest competitor I've ever seen.

I think Peyton Manning is worth more wins by himself then both, though. Just because of the way he runs that offense and the way he controls the clock so magnificently.

So, again, my QB rankings are:

1a. Peyton Manning
1b. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Eli Manning
4. Drew Brees
5. Andrew Luck
6. RGIII
7. Big Ben

I was back and forth on Brady-Manning for a long time. Really hard to pick between those two. I give the edge to Manning because the Pats have had better overall teams/coaching than the Colts.

[Hootie]

I think with the passing rules today the huddle up offense is super, super outdated. I'd love to draft Geno and get a HC that runs 80% no huddle...it puts way too much pressure on the defense who already operates under such a disadvantage as is...

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Originally Posted by listopencil

I was back and forth on Brady-Manning for a long time. Really hard to pick between those two. I give the edge to Manning because the Pats have had better overall teams/coaching than the Colts.

Both of them have consistently played in divisions that are not that good.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And?

He ducked and ran around the guy. The Raiders tackles SUCK.

I gave Miller his due. But that pic is a bad example.

Stop being a pussy.

Hah. I'm being the pussy, but you can't just man up and give Miller credit for owning a Tackle without making a dumbass remark. Sure.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by listopencil

I was back and forth on Brady-Manning for a long time. Really hard to pick between those two. I give the edge to Manning because the Pats have had better overall teams/coaching than the Colts.

It's not even worth a debate to me anymore.

It varied every year.

When Pollard knee crushed Brady and I did my yearly poll, Manning won in a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE landslide (because Cassel won 11 games)

then the next year when Manning was throwing picks like crazy and the neck shit started happening Brady won in a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE landslide.

Then when Manning finally beat Brady and won a Super Bowl Manning won again...then the year Brady went 18-1 he won again...

Just not even worth the debate anymore. I still prefer Manning but it's a 1a and 1b thing for me...both are great, and I'll miss both of them being NFL QB's. I hate when great players retire.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Both of them have consistently played in divisions that are not that good.

what is that supposed to mean?

I don't get it.

and I think the Pitt/Baltimore division is so overrated it's sickening.

but yes, this year especially...the AFC blows.

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks

It's not even worth a debate to me anymore.

It varied every year.

When Pollard knee crushed Brady and I did my yearly poll, Manning won in a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE landslide (because Cassel won 11 games)

then the next year when Manning was throwing picks like crazy and the neck shit started happening Brady won in a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE landslide.

Then when Manning finally beat Brady and won a Super Bowl Manning won again...then the year Brady went 18-1 he won again...

Just not even worth the debate anymore. I still prefer Manning but it's a 1a and 1b thing for me...both are great, and I'll miss both of them being NFL QB's. I hate when great players retire.

I did sour a bit on Brady after he came back from his injury. The constant hissy fits he threw when anyone got close to his feet were silly.

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Both of them have consistently played in divisions that are not that good.

True, but look at Montana in the old NFC West.