Chiefs Super late night bullshit: Our injured secondary.

Direckshun · 10-30-2014, 01:34 AM

Chris Owens has been out a couple weeks, but looks to be returning. He was "limited" in practice this week, as was Eric Berry. Jamell Fleming has been completely out of practice with a hamstring.

Since the area is completely unpredictable right now, let's go nuts.

If you're Sutton:

1. What does our starting secondary look like if Owens and Berry returns, but Fleming is out?

2. What does our secondary look like if Berry comes back, but Owens and Fleming are out?

3. What does our secondary look like if Owens comes back, but Berry and Fleming remain out?

4. What does our secondary look like if none of them come back?

5. What does our secondary look like if all of them come back?

Discuss Thrower · 10-30-2014, 01:38 AM

Who gives a ****

Direckshun · 10-30-2014, 01:38 AM

1. Smith & Gaines at CB, Owens at NCB, Berry/Parker w/ Abdullah as dime back.

2. Smith & Cooper at CB, Gaines at NCB, Abdullah/Parker w/ Coleman as dime back.

3. Smith & Gaines at CB, Owens at NCB, Abdullah/Parker w/ Coleman as dime back.

4. Smith & Cooper at CB, Gaines at NCB, Abdullah/Parker w/ Coleman as dime back.

5. Smith & Gaines at CB, Owens at NCB, Berry/Parker w/ Abdullah as dime back.

Basically, I'm going hardcore pimping for Gaines to start on the outside, and saying **** Jamell Fleming.

kcxiv · 10-30-2014, 05:06 AM

Just watched the presser from yesterday with Andy, he said Berry was out there. didnt say limited or anything.

Anyways, as long as we got that pass rush we are ok. Passrush makes everything better.

Direckshun · 10-30-2014, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja

Passrush makes everything better.

Passrush is the bacon of football.

milkman · 10-30-2014, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja

Just watched the presser from yesterday with Andy, he said Berry was out there. didnt say limited or anything.

Anyways, as long as we got that pass rush we are ok. Passrush makes everything better.

People are just not getting this.

Our pass rush is succeeding because Sutton is doing a great job of mixing up coverages and and putting the secondary in position to compete.

This rush is not going to get to Manning in 2.5 seconds or less, so this secondary will have to continue to play at this level.

Direckshun · 10-30-2014, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

People are just not getting this.

Our pass rush is succeeding because Sutton is doing a great job of mixing up coverages and and putting the secondary in position to compete.

This rush is not going to get to Manning in 2.5 seconds or less, so this secondary will have to continue to play at this level.

The Seahawks formula, is it not?

**RealSNR** · 10-30-2014, 07:54 AM

Three7s · 10-30-2014, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

People are just not getting this.

Our pass rush is succeeding because Sutton is doing a great job of mixing up coverages and and putting the secondary in position to compete.

This rush is not going to get to Manning in 2.5 seconds or less, so this secondary will have to continue to play at this level.

Correct. Our secondary has done a good job of keeping the play in front of them and playing physical. They don't cause many turnovers, but they're doing their job. Our pass rush will never get to a QB in less than 3 seconds, and I'm not sure why people think it will.

ChiefsChoke010414 · 10-30-2014, 08:33 AM

Do we need a secondary to stop the Jets passing game?

ChiefsChoke010414 · 10-30-2014, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja

Just watched the presser from yesterday with Andy, he said Berry was out there. didnt say limited or anything.

Anyways, as long as we got that pass rush we are ok. Passrush makes everything better.

Yeah, the pass rush was great early last season and early this season. Not surprisingly, the secondary has played well during those times.

But I'd say any secondary would struggle if there's no pass rush. Some can do better than others, but you still need to put some pressure in a good QB's face.

Also, teams picked us apart last season on crossing routes, and I haven't seen too much of that this year. Even against Denver and San Diego, who were our biggest bullies last season, we contained that play well this time around. Not sure if Sutton made adjustments or what.

Sandy Vagina · 10-30-2014, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsChoke010414

Do we need a secondary to stop the Jets passing game?

I hope to be wrong, but yes. Their team is capable of doing damage. Definitely on the ground.. but if (and yeah, it's a big if) a QB can pull head out of ass... the Chiefs could look foolish to walk into this game thinking easy win.

milkman · 10-30-2014, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

The Seahawks formula, is it not?

Same principal, except that the Hawks run a lot of cover 3, while the Chiefs still run a ton of man.
They just aren't lining up tight and bumping, with the exception of Smith.

As three7s said, keep everything in front and tackle.

milkman · 10-30-2014, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

Correct. Our secondary has done a good job of keeping the play in front of them and playing physical. They don't cause many turnovers, but they're doing their job. Our pass rush will never get to a QB in less than 3 seconds, and I'm not sure why people think it will.

It isn't that people think the pass rush is getting there in less than 3 seconds.
It's about recognizing that the secondary is doing their jobs, allowing the pass rush to do theirs.

**Easy 6** · 10-30-2014, 09:25 AM

It'd be nice to see Berry back out there this week, its time.

10-30-2014, 01:34 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4403447	Super late night bullshit: Our injured secondary. Chris Owens has been out a couple weeks, but looks to be returning. He was "limited" in practice this week, as was Eric Berry. Jamell Fleming has been completely out of practice with a hamstring. Since the area is completely unpredictable right now, let's go nuts. If you're Sutton: 1. What does our starting secondary look like if Owens and Berry returns, but Fleming is out? 2. What does our secondary look like if Berry comes back, but Owens and Fleming are out? 3. What does our secondary look like if Owens comes back, but Berry and Fleming remain out? 4. What does our secondary look like if none of them come back? 5. What does our secondary look like if all of them come back?
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4403447	1. Smith & Gaines at CB, Owens at NCB, Berry/Parker w/ Abdullah as dime back. 2. Smith & Cooper at CB, Gaines at NCB, Abdullah/Parker w/ Coleman as dime back. 3. Smith & Gaines at CB, Owens at NCB, Abdullah/Parker w/ Coleman as dime back. 4. Smith & Cooper at CB, Gaines at NCB, Abdullah/Parker w/ Coleman as dime back. 5. Smith & Gaines at CB, Owens at NCB, Berry/Parker w/ Abdullah as dime back. Basically, I'm going hardcore pimping for Gaines to start on the outside, and saying **** Jamell Fleming.
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10-30-2014, 05:06 AM	#4
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