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Old 03-29-2018, 09:38 AM  
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Hi Guys,

I'm up to a 36 waist - thanks to Del Taco and a few others. As well as eating pretty poorly over the last year, or so.

I'm on a strict regimen now and doing a three week diet and then merging it into a new way of life. I have a history of eating well (normally) - but, again; have been quite clumsy over the past year or so.

My plan is to limit myself to 1100 calories a day the first week, then up to 1200 the second week, and then stay on or around 1500 calories as the norm, with one cheat day per week.

After the third week - I'll get back into some sort of exercise, which too will be part of the new 'way of life'

In this thread I'd like to discuss food ideas for assisting myself (& others) with weight loss.

Since Monday I've not gone above 1100 calories/daily - I have eaten oatmeal, oranges, bananas, hard-boiled eggs and in closing, in the evening - I'll eat one of the Chick Fil A Spicy, grilled chicken wraps w/o dressing (350 cals)

I'm open to ideas - but the goal is - finding items that are a little less common and more creative.

Please assist at your leisure - anyone else need assistance or interested in jumping aboard, I welcome it.

Thanks again

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Old 05-31-2018, 01:24 PM   #856
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Pretty sure those who seriously obsess about calories aren't the ones getting fatter and sicker.

I mean, i don't know shit about Keto or any fad diet, but that comment was just too silly to ignore.

Seriously?

Have you been to a slimming club. Do you not get those womens weekly magazines in the US?
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Old 05-31-2018, 01:25 PM   #857
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And when someone says, "I can eat whatever i want on my diet", what they're really saying is that they're otherwise eating healthy but leaving room in their caloric allotment to squeeze in some Ice Cream or a Cookie. That ice cream or cookie comes at the sacrifice of something else.
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Old 05-31-2018, 01:27 PM   #858
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Seriously?

Have you been to a slimming club. Do you not get those womens weekly magazines in the US?
What does any of that have to do with anything? When it comes to anecdotal evidence you're supplying it in its weakest form.

How do you think people lost weight before keto and any other fad diet? By chance?
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Old 05-31-2018, 01:31 PM   #859
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I don't necessarily think Keto is a fad diet though, but just as with anything, it's not right for everyone. Same as Vegan or whatever.

Limiting carbs for me since February, combined with working my ass off and intermittent fasting has gotten me really good results. I don't really buy in to the pure "Keto" stuff, I just keep my shitty carbs low. I don't really see how eating an apple for lunch is gonna overload my carbs.

But cutting out for lack of better term "shitty" carbs isn't all about weight loss, it has a lot of other benefits from a health perspective.
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Old 05-31-2018, 01:32 PM   #860
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It's also easier for the body to shuttle fatty acids back into fat cells, than to convert excess glucose to fat (de-novo lipogenesis I believe its called).
That's part of what doesn't make sense about keto. Your body preferentially stores fat but converting glucose to fat (like you said - DNL) is a metabolically expensive process and very rarely happens in humans outside of weird eating like overfeeding at 90% carbs.

Another part that doesn't make sense is that fat is almost completely devoid of nutrients. Put butter, coconut oil, beef fat, pork fat, etc in a nutrition tracker and you'll see there is basically nothing in it but energy (butter has some vitamin A and K but that's pretty much it). So making the biggest chunk of your calories nutritionally void energy doesn't really make sense for extended weight loss and health.
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Old 05-31-2018, 01:32 PM   #861
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I tried keto when I was a meter reader a few years ago. Not even possible. My body needed the damn carbs from walking 10 miles a day.
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What does any of that have to do with anything? When it comes to anecdotal evidence you're supplying it in its weakest form.

How do you think people lost weight before keto and any other fad diet? By chance?
Like your boy friend said **** it you do your thing others do theirs. This thread started off as a good way to share advice and as usual the CICO nazis turn it into a pissing contest.
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To be quite honest, Paleo makes more sense to me than Keto.
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Old 05-31-2018, 01:41 PM   #864
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I dont think you read what I said. I wasn't knocking calorie restriction because of course it works. But is it sustainable? Can restrict calories your entire life. I am not a true believer I dont do Keto I just cut sugar and refined carbohydrate out of my diet. I dont measure ketones or any of that crap life is too short.
What's more sustainable - eating foods I like and make me feel good and energetic just by watching how much I eat of them or eating boring food that makes me feel like death warmed over and depriving myself of foods I like?

Besides that, i don't think you are thinking of CICO correctly if you are referring to slimming clubs and women's magazine, which usually are all about fad diets. There is a big difference in tracking calories and with eating a box of fat free cookies because they "are healthy". We haven't been obsessing over calories over the last 50 years as much as denying that they count and looking for ways to lose weight without counting them - Atkins, Low Fat, Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, etc.
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Like your boy friend said **** it you do your thing others do theirs. This thread started off as a good way to share advice and as usual the CICO nazis turn it into a pissing contest.
Well, we got to the name calling phase.

The title of this thread "let's talk about counting calories". You're the one in here spouting low carb bullshit.
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Like your boy friend said **** it you do your thing others do theirs. This thread started off as a good way to share advice and as usual the CICO nazis turn it into a pissing contest.
Rawr. SOMEONE is being defensive.
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I don't necessarily think Keto is a fad diet though, but just as with anything, it's not right for everyone. Same as Vegan or whatever.

Limiting carbs for me since February, combined with working my ass off and intermittent fasting has gotten me really good results. I don't really buy in to the pure "Keto" stuff, I just keep my shitty carbs low. I don't really see how eating an apple for lunch is gonna overload my carbs.

But cutting out for lack of better term "shitty" carbs isn't all about weight loss, it has a lot of other benefits from a health perspective.
Taking a quick look at the Keto diet and it doesn't seem that abnormal from a standard diet to me.

If you're eating healthy meats for high protein intake and limiting sugar and junk carbs as you normally would in a low cal diet then aren't you getting a similar effect anyway?

Seems to me that Keto is just a more restricted version of a true healthy diet. Shrug, idk.
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So what does a daily meal plan look like on a Keto diet?
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It's funny but back when I first got involved in low carb, it was considered as a way to reduce calories. Dr. Atkins said that calories counted and to cut back on nuts and cheese if you weren't losing weight. Also, you were only supposed to stay in the very low carb phase (Induction) for the first two weeks and then start adding carbs back. You were supposed to keep adding carbs back as you lost weight (called climbing the carb ladder).

Somewhere along the way, the message got twisted and carbs became evil, calories didn't count as long as you were chugging fat and ketosis was the preferred thing to be in. The "whole CICO doesn't work", "we got fat eating low fat foods" and "insulin causes weight gain" (all erroneous) are all straight out of the current low carb guru handbook.
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Taking a quick look at the Keto diet and it doesn't seem that abnormal from a standard diet to me.

If you're eating healthy meats for high protein intake and limiting sugar and junk carbs as you normally would in a low cal diet then aren't you getting a similar effect anyway?

Seems to me that Keto is just a more restricted version of a true healthy diet. Shrug, idk.
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