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Old 08-10-2018, 09:58 PM  
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Carbohydrates and inflammation

Iíve heard a couple different places now that eliminating carbohydrates from your diet can help eliminate inflammation.

As Lewdog (very douchtacullarly) pointed out, I have arthritis. Iím wondering if eliminating carbohydrates will eliminate some inflammation. Anymore I have no idea what the **** is based in science and what is hippie bullshit. This kind of sounds like the latter, at least in my head.

Itís not something Iím super excited about, but would be willing to consider if there is a science-based good probability of materially affecting the inflammation.
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:04 AM   #61
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You might be referencing some older information that has since been proven false. Not trying to be a jerk. But the most recent meta-study on tumeric/curcumin looks at >120 different scientific studies and includes 164 references. Please take a look at the meta-study below in the link and the included references if you're curious. Here's the result:



Again, I'm not trying to be a dick. Just offering what I've found to be the most recent scientific information about the subject. If you have more recent contradictory studies/information, I'd gladly refer to that, feel free to offer it up.
I am sure you can find disinformation posted as scientific research produced by the pharmaceutical industry that will clown anything natural. I had huge problems with my hands from a lifetime in the dojo that caused some very painful inflammation of my hands that was so bad I thought I may not be able to ride motorcycles anymore especially since it was so bad my hand would spasm and lock up in a straight position. I went to a DACM. Curcumin when dissolved in a hot liquid in this case broth increases it's bioavailablity is what I was told. I used a three prong approach using black cherries and did what you would consider an unconventional approach to finding out what foods I have any negative effect to. I have virtually no arthritis in my hands when I use all three. I was at the gym this morning for 90 minutes doing back and bi's with no pain. I have been able to do this consistently since using this approach.
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:05 AM   #62
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I have not. Does it take a prescription?
I have a script pad. How much cash you got?








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Old 08-14-2018, 10:15 AM   #63
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Many thanks sir. Iíll give it a try.
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:18 AM   #64
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If keto works for you, do keto... if you see issues like not getting enough fiber, eat more fiber... or if you don't have enough energy, bump up carbs a little. Maybe go to a doctor every once in a while to make sure you're not slowly killing yourself. If you find it's not sustainable, adjust.

If high carbs/lower fat works, do that... if you see issues, adjust. Maybe see a doctor every once in a while.

If you've otherwise have found a perfect balance that works, do that.
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:20 AM   #65
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I have a script pad. How much cash you got?








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Less than my deductible to go to the MD.
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:23 AM   #66
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If keto works for you, do keto... if you see issues like not getting enough fiber, eat more fiber... or if you don't have enough energy, bump up carbs a little. Maybe go to a doctor every once in a while to make sure you're not slowly killing yourself. If you find it's not sustainable, adjust.

If high carbs/lower fat works, do that... if you see issues, adjust. Maybe see a doctor every once in a while.

If you've otherwise have found a perfect balance that works, do that.
Not sure if this is directed at me, but I do see my doctor. Iím just tying to get some feedback before I talk to him about something.
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:26 AM   #67
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Not sure if this is directed at me, but I do see my doctor. Iím just tying to get some feedback before I talk to him about something.
Nope, everyone who was hijacking your thread to discuss how keto is either the best thing ever or the worst thing ever, depending on what you search for in Google.... instead of actually trying to answer your question (which on that point, I have nothing useful...).
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:50 AM   #68
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Carbohydrates and inflammation

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Old 08-14-2018, 12:40 PM   #69
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Not sure if this is directed at me, but I do see my doctor. Iím just tying to get some feedback before I talk to him about something.
Just don't eat because food is inflamatory.

Don't drink because water has toxins.

Don't breathe because air has pollutants.

Don't read ChiefsPlanet because everyone is an expert on everything, which is quite inflammatory.
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Don't drink because water has toxins.

Don't breathe because air has pollutants.

Don't read ChiefsPlanet because everyone is an expert on everything, which is quite inflammatory.
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Arthritis is in my hands and knees.

Never tried aloe. But I take glucosamine and chondroitin with MSM. Does topical application make any difference?
Supposed too. There's two doctors who have books on aloe, one British who writes about his work on patients with arthritis Dr. Peter Atherton. Atherton has been able to reduce his patients medication and he recommends taking it with some MSM.

The plant is just a natural anti-inflammatory but there's 400 species over 2,200 types. The Aloe Barbadensis Miller is the most potent has the most about of helpful properties. I use the plant for burns 'cuz I burn myself a lot cooking including boiling oil accidentally spilling. Really takes the sting out fast, heals up the burn faster too. I have no scars from any of them. A nurse told me it's used in burn units.

Also heat. It helps blood flow.

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I haven’t had it formally diagnosed but I don’t have the blood markers for rheumatoid. I’m assuming just standard osteo arthritis.
I find that really incredible at your age.
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Old 08-15-2018, 09:24 PM   #72
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I am sure you can find disinformation posted as scientific research produced by the pharmaceutical industry that will clown anything natural.
He's usually cynical about anything natural that's not Big Pharmaóeven though they have rigged some of their own studies and get suit a LOT.
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I find that really incredible at your age.
Heh. I've had it for more than a decade. When I was 25, I was playing basketball 3 times a week and developed tendonitis in my patellar tendon. I had to go to a general practitioner before I could be referred to a sports medicine doctor or orthopedist.

So I go see this gal, and she has to do the stability test for the ACL/MCL, so she puts her hand on my kneecap and gets this bewildered look and says, "Oh my GOD. You have arthritis! You're too young for that!"

I told her I figured, but this isn't that. But since we're talking about it, what are my treatment options for it. ".....weeeellll....you can take up to 2400 MG ibueprofien per day." Gee. Thanks.

I got out of her that Glucosamine and Condoiton is the only supplement approved by the USDA to slow the loss of cartilage.

Quite the depressing visit. But yeah, I'm 35 now.
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Heh. I've had it for more than a decade. When I was 25, I was playing basketball 3 times a week and developed tendonitis in my patellar tendon. I had to go to a general practitioner before I could be referred to a sports medicine doctor or orthopedist.

So I go see this gal, and she has to do the stability test for the ACL/MCL, so she puts her hand on my kneecap and gets this bewildered look and says, "Oh my GOD. You have arthritis! You're too young for that!"

I told her I figured, but this isn't that. But since we're talking about it, what are my treatment options for it. ".....weeeellll....you can take up to 2400 MG ibueprofien per day." Gee. Thanks.

I got out of her that Glucosamine and Condoiton is the only supplement approved by the USDA to slow the loss of cartilage.

Quite the depressing visit. But yeah, I'm 35 now.
You might look into stem cell treatments especially for the knee. It's been around 15 years now and they've had good results. These regenerate joint cartilage and repair arthritis damage. Some it hasn't worked on but you're young enough. Insurance considers it experimental still so they won't cover it but I've heard good things about it from orthopedic doctors. Others orthopedic drs are skeptical.

NIH's website says umbilical blood cord is most effective but there's other kinds. Some use your own stem cells.
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You might look into stem cell treatments especially for the knee. It's been around 15 years now and they've had good results. These regenerate joint cartilage and repair arthritis damage. Some it hasn't worked on but you're young enough. Insurance considers it experimental still so they won't cover it but I've heard good things about it from orthopedic doctors. Others orthopedic drs are skeptical.

NIH's website says umbilical blood cord is most effective but there's other kinds. Some use your own stem cells.
I have an appointment with my MD to talk about them. I think the umbilical cord cells aren't legal in the US. I also heard they may be trying to ban all stem cells because the HHS (I think) Chief doesn't like stem cells for.....reasons.
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