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Old 08-18-2018, 01:21 AM  
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Officials Defend Plan To Close Almost All Polling Places In Majority Black GA County

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...b0a5b1febb04fc

I’d be curious to hear what the CP population thought pre and then post reading the article. Initial reactions based on the title and then after reading the article.
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:23 PM   #46
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I live in Georgia, a few things I'd note here.

1. Georgia has more black citizens than any other state in the USA. There's an obvious history with racism here too, but black folks are not the minority here they are in other states.

2. The lady running for governor is black, and woman. This would be GREAT for this state if a candidate like her won. However, she's very progressive, and Georgia is not. I wish she was a conservative D, she's probably have a shot - hell, a great shot.

3. The guy who won the R nomination is a piece of shit. I won't be voting for him. Reminds me a little bit of the 2016 election when our choices were Trump and Hillary and nobody really wanted to vote for either.

4. Georgia just had some pretty embarrassing news related to how shitty they handle the vote down here. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-one-precinct/

5. It's fascinating to me that people cannot see the way D's treat black folks and get them to vote is vast majority that way is the same way the R's treat evangelicals and get them in vast majority to vote that way. Neither group has done shit for said voting block in decades, but they scare the hell out of them and convince them to vote the same way every time they get a chance.

Last, I'm tired of everything being racist. That's obviously not true, and it's a tactic that has run it's course. If we'd spend a few minutes researching, the vast majority of the time you'll find the people making decisions like this aren't doing it because they're racists.
If the people behind it are motivated by the desire to disenfranchise people who will vote for their political opponents, does it really matter that much whether or not they are personally motivated by race?
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:25 PM   #47
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If the people behind it are motivated by the desire to disenfranchise people who will vote for their political opponents, does it really matter that much whether or not they are personally motivated by race?
How do you know their motivation is to disenfranchise people?

The political parties are about being in power, and they do that via scaring the shit out of their voting blocks as to what the other side will do. I don't think that's disenfranchising them.

Or are you referring to the board? And in that case, how do you know their desire is to disenfranchise people?
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:36 PM   #48
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How do you know their motivation is to disenfranchise people?

The political parties are about being in power, and they do that via scaring the shit out of their voting blocks as to what the other side will do. I don't think that's disenfranchising them.

Or are you referring to the board? And in that case, how do you know their desire is to disenfranchise people?
Yeah I would give the county officials some benefit of doubt. They are most likely Democrats. How Democrats run things there is generally budget problems. There is a great chance that there is no money to make 7 buildings ADA compliant. There are only like 4,000 voters in the county. Your not talking about a major city but a very small county with most likely one little town in the county. Study indicates two places should be able to handle the 4,000 people.

Huffpo seems to leave out a ton of facts. My guess is those facts are not relevant to the conclusion HuffPo is trying to draw.
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:37 PM   #49
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Or are you referring to the board? And in that case, how do you know their desire is to disenfranchise people?
There will never be an admission. You have to look at the results of what they are doing, and the reasons they offered for what they are doing, and then evaluate the evidence.

They claim they are shutting down 7 out of 9 polling places in order to comply with the ADA. Does that have the ring of truth? These same polling places were fine for the primaries and run-offs, but now, less than three months before the general, they have to shut them down?

It's stinks, and the ADA explanation is ridiculous. So what is the alternative explanation? Politicians have been trying to **** with the vote since voting was invented. Both parties attempt to do it consistently. It's the obvious motivation.
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:39 PM   #50
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There will never be an admission. You have to look at the results of what they are doing, and the reasons they offered for what they are doing, and then evaluate the evidence.

They claim they are shutting down 7 out of 9 polling places in order to comply with the ADA. Does that have the ring of truth? These same polling places were fine for the primaries and run-offs, but now, less than three months before the general, they have to shut them down?

It's stinks, and the ADA explanation is ridiculous. So what is the alternative explanation? Politicians have been trying to **** with the vote since voting was invented. Both parties attempt to do it consistently. It's the obvious motivation.
So do you not believe it is being done by the County? (which is 55% black)

Does a county of 4,000 voters need 9 polling places?

How much should the County pay to bring up the others to ADA? (a lot of the time those places are not even owned by the County)
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:47 PM   #51
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So do you not believe it is being done by the County? (which is 55% black)

Does a county of 4,000 voters need 9 polling places?

How much should the County pay to bring up the others to ADA? (a lot of the time those places are not even owned by the County)
I believe it's being done by the Election Board. I don't know their racial make up or political parties.

One thing I would be interested to know is how this came about, and why it came about right now. Did they get sued for non-ADA compliance? I would think they would have offered that as part of the explanation, but they haven't. They haven't even attempted to explain how this unfolded. Who brought it to their attention that there was ADA non-compliance, what steps they took to find alternative locations, etc.

I don't know how many polling places are necessary. However, according to the articles, some people will have to travel 30 miles to vote. Weigh that against the ADA issue. I would like to know if there was even a single individual who was prevented from voting on account of the ADA issue, and whether that individual is better off now. My guess is that there were no complaints.
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:49 PM   #52
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I believe it's being done by the Election Board. I don't know their racial make up or political parties.

One thing I would be interested to know is how this came about, and why it came about right now. Did they get sued for non-ADA compliance? I would think they would have offered that as part of the explanation, but they haven't. They haven't even attempted to explain how this unfolded. Who brought it to their attention that there was ADA non-compliance, what steps they took to find alternative locations, etc.

I don't know how many polling places are necessary. However, according to the articles, some people will have to travel 30 miles to vote. Weigh that against the ADA issue. I would like to know if there was even a single individual who was prevented from voting on account of the ADA issue, and whether that individual is better off now. My guess is that there were no complaints.
How do you know what explanation has been offered?
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How do you know what explanation has been offered?
I only know what I've read in two articles.

Of course, it's always the case that there could be some relevant facts left out.
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There will never be an admission. You have to look at the results of what they are doing, and the reasons they offered for what they are doing, and then evaluate the evidence.

They claim they are shutting down 7 out of 9 polling places in order to comply with the ADA. Does that have the ring of truth? These same polling places were fine for the primaries and run-offs, but now, less than three months before the general, they have to shut them down?

It's stinks, and the ADA explanation is ridiculous. So what is the alternative explanation? Politicians have been trying to **** with the vote since voting was invented. Both parties attempt to do it consistently. It's the obvious motivation.
Are you familiar with the attorney's who go after people/properties/companies who aren't ADA compliant?

Maybe there's more to that part of this story than people think?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minu...derson-cooper/
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I only know what I've read in two articles.

Of course, it's always the case that there could be some relevant facts left out.
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A phone call to the county revealed the following:
  1. The 3 members of the Randolph County Elections Board are chosen in the following manner: 1 by the county board of commissioners, 1 by each of two cities
  2. The board is a 3 person board that currently has only 2 people seated, because the third resigned to pursue an elected position.
  3. The current racial makeup of the board is one white and one black.

I was offered the racial makeup of each location, but chose not to trouble the person for it, as it wouldn't have been definitive for anyone coming from either political extreme.
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I believe it's being done by the Election Board. I don't know their racial make up or political parties.

One thing I would be interested to know is how this came about, and why it came about right now. Did they get sued for non-ADA compliance? I would think they would have offered that as part of the explanation, but they haven't. They haven't even attempted to explain how this unfolded. Who brought it to their attention that there was ADA non-compliance, what steps they took to find alternative locations, etc.

I don't know how many polling places are necessary. However, according to the articles, some people will have to travel 30 miles to vote. Weigh that against the ADA issue. I would like to know if there was even a single individual who was prevented from voting on account of the ADA issue, and whether that individual is better off now. My guess is that there were no complaints.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.77994d01f11c

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Brian Kemp, Georgia’s secretary of state, which oversees elections operations throughout the state, has issued a statement urging Randolph County officials to “abandon this effort.” Kemp also is the Republican nominee in one of the country’s most-watched gubernatorial contests. The Democratic nominee, Stacey Abrams, a former state legislator, is seeking to become the nation’s first black female governor.
It is a county decision. The county is 55% black and went for Hillary by 11 points. Let see 4,000 voters, maybe 60% turnout, 55.5-44.5 split... seems like a lot of effort to worry about a county that has a few hundred votes difference.

As for 30 miles the voting places are going to be in the couple towns in the county. Having lived in a rural small town I can not imagine that 1) Those in the country do not have transportation and 2) Do not go to town once a week and thirty miles is not that big of deal.
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Are you familiar with the attorney's who go after people/properties/companies who aren't ADA compliant?

Maybe there's more to that part of this story than people think?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minu...derson-cooper/
Yes.

Which is why I asked the question, what motivated the decision.

If they got sued for non-ADA compliance, and it was not economically feasible to bring the buildings into compliance or to find other locations, fine. But they have not said that (or at least it hasn't been reported).

I believe that some of the buildings are public buildings that have to be brought into compliance regardless of their use as polling places. It isn't like they shut down the courthouse because it's not ADA compliant. Why, then, allow it to continue to function as to all of its previous uses, but only not as a polling place? It stinks.
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It’s called deductive reasoning. Stop being a simpleton.
Well you could use deductive reasoning or you could do primary research. Primary research says that the current makeup of the County commissioners who appoint the election board...

http://www.randolphcountyga.com/boar...d-registration

Steve Jackson (D)
Chairman

Jimmie Allen (D)
Commissioner

Jimmy Bradley (R)
Commissioner

Lamar White (R)
Commissioner

Wesley Williams (D)
Vice-Chairman

http://results.enr.clarityelections....n/summary.html

http://results.enr.clarityelections....n/summary.html

Given that everyone who was elected to the board of commissioners was an incumbent, except for Jimmy Allen(D) who was running against an Independent... With a very small amount of deductive reasoning I'm going to say the board of commissioners has been controlled by democrats for at least 8 years. Which would put the board of elections under full democratic control.

Now if you were to classify this news story which adjective would you use?
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People act like we need to provide a ride for voters if they’re beyond walking distance from their polling place or something. I’ve never lived close enough to my polling place to choose walking over skipping the vote. And as long as I need to drive or find a ride to get there, there’s not much difference between 7 miles and 30.
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