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**Tribal Warfare** · 02-25-2013, 04:40 PM

NFL combine QB recap: Tyler Bray rises, Geno Smith holds steady

INDIANAPOLIS — The 2013 NFL Draft quarterback class is ripe for someone, really anyone, to step up and take the reins as the lead prospect.

One of the players in the mix to potentially do that, Matt Barkley, was one of three quarterbacks invited to the scouting combine that did not participate in drills because of an injury (Zac Dysert and Sean Renfree being the others). Barkley’s absence left a host of other contenders hoping to close the gap on West Virginia’s Geno Smith, currently a general-consensus pick as the No. 1 QB available.

The QB group worked through its on-field drills on Sunday, two days after meeting with the media. A quick look at how some of the top participating quarterbacks fared this weekend, and what it might mean going forward:

Geno Smith, West Virginia
Height: 6-2 … Weight: 218 … 40 time: 4.59 … Vertical jump: 33.5 inches

If you needed any further proof that there is no RGIII in this year’s QB class, Smith running the best 40-yard-dash at this position should do it. But for Smith, his 4.59 40 should help convince teams that he can get out of the pocket and make plays, even if he’s not an option-offense prospect.

On the flip, however, Day 4 of the combine wrapped without any real sense that any QB had separated himself from the rest. All the throws were there for the West Virginia product, but his inability to really run away and hide from the rest of the class certainly will not help his case for the No. 1 overall selection.

Ryan Nassib, Syracuse
Height: 6-2 … Weight: 227 … 40 time: 5.06 … Vertical jump: 28.5 inches

Nassib’s low-end 40 time (unofficially 5.06, better than only Landry Jones at quarterback) proofed what his college tape showed and what he told the media here Friday: He’s not a speed QB.

“I’m not much of a runner by trade like some other guys,” Nassib said, when asked if he could run the zone-read.

As a pocket passer, though, Nassib did nothing to hurt his stock during Sunday’s workout. The knocks on Nassib include that he lets his mechanics slip and occasionally floats passes downfield. But in the controlled combine environment, he was able to flash a strong, accurate arm. Nassib is a more athletic QB than he showed in the 40, too, so don’t expect his 5.06 to hurt him too much.

Mike Glennon, N.C. State
Height: 6-7 … Weight: 225 … 40 time: 4.94 … Vertical jump: 26.5 inches

Right now, Glennon is a sort of take-what-you-get prospect for NFL teams. He did manage to come in under 5.0 seconds unofficially in the 40, topping Nassib, Tyler Bray and Jones, but he’s simply a tall, gangly QB with room to grow both physically and as a passer.

There’s no denying that he has a strong arm — one of the strongest in the draft. Is that enough to convince NFL teams to overlook his downsides? Maybe, but Sunday likely will not go down as his distinguishing moment.

Tyler Bray, Tennessee
Height: 6-6 … Weight: 232 … 40 time: … Vertical jump: DNP

Say hello to your high-riser at the QB position out of the combine. Bray weighed in at 232, up a whopping 24 pounds from his final game at Tennessee. Like Glennon and Nassib, he’s far from a burner or an option guy, so his high 40 time shouldn’t hinder him too much.

And that’s especially true because Bray zinged the ball (and did so accurately) during drills. There’s definitely room for quarterbacks to rise and fall between now and the draft, and Bray’s weekend work has him trending in the right direction.

Tyler Wilson, Arkansas
Height: 6-2 … Weight: 215 … 40 time: 4.94 … Vertical jump: 28.5 inches

Wilson was middle of the road in most of Sunday’s drills. That’s an improvement from a couple days ago, when Wilson measured in alongside Colby Cameron and Matt Scott as the smallest QB prospects here (6-2) and stood alone with the smallest hands (8 3/4). The latter could be an issue for a lot of teams — small hands are believed to translate to a weak grip on the football and, thus, fumbles and/or passes that tend to wobble.

Wilson still has work to do as a passer, where his footwork tends to desert him. He did not make any glaring mistakes Sunday.

E.J. Manuel, Florida State
Height: 6-4 … Weight: 237 … 40 time: 4.65 … Vertical jump: 34 inches

Manuel said Friday, “I definitely feel I’m the best quarterback in this class.” Even though that may not wind up being true, Manuel continues to look more and more like a definite Day 2 option for teams hoping to develop a quarterback. Manuel finished second to Smith in the 40, but he measured in with the biggest hands of any QB (10 3/8 inches), put up the top vertical jump and posted the second-best broad jump (9 feet, 10 inches).

He’s an athlete with a nice arm, plus might be capable of running at least a little read-option. All of that could combine to drive Manuel up the draft board.

Landry Jones, Oklahoma
Height: 6-4 … Weight: 225 … 40 time: 5.11 … Vertical jump: 31 inches

Jones timed in as the slowest of the quarterbacks who participated Sunday, with a 5.11. That’s only so important for a pocket guy like Jones, but it does further the perception that Jones’ all-around game is tolerable yet underwhelming. Jones appeared to have a fine day throwing the football — hitting his spots when able to set and fire has never been his bugaboo, though.

Chiefnj2 · 02-25-2013, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think that if Bray lasts to our 2nd pick, we should take him.

It's about as close as we're getting to a premier chance at a QB in this draft, because we're sure as **** not taking Geno.

He's a big project. You need a vet for a year or two before he'd be ready. He's not good at reading defenses and he really isn't accurate. He has two WRs that may go in round 1 yet they didn't put up phenomenal college #'s because Bray couldn't get them the ball consistently.

Setsuna · 02-25-2013, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

If he gets his shit together, he'll be a badass mother****ing QB.

True dat. True dat. I honestly wonder who his QB coach was and if he ever taught him anything because I don't think he did. It looks like he left UT the way he came. A lot of times people don't take into account the QB coaches at these universities. Either way, the Bray train only has room for one and that's me. The rest of yall please hate on him. It soothes me.

HotCarl · 02-25-2013, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I do and it sickens me nobody has called the NFL out on it yet.

Because he had a pretty darn good 40 time?

Deberg_1990 · 02-25-2013, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dude, they're analyizing QBs with Mike Tannenbaum and Scott ***** right now.

"Disservice" is way, way too polite.

"Kurt Warner would never make that throw".

As if Warner never made a mistake......they hold some of these guys to a mythical, unobtainable standard.

**BossChief** · 02-25-2013, 07:46 PM

These guys are holding Geno to standards that no other quarterback has been held to th last 10 years.

The stuff Mayock found to use against Geno was ****ing ridiculous.

**Bowser** · 02-25-2013, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mayock

“I saw everything that I saw on tape about Geno, and that is he flashed everything you want to see in a franchise quarterback on tape during the season,” said Mayock. ”He has a big arm, good arm, he moves well, he can be accurate. Everything I saw on tape I saw here. He’s a natural thrower; he doesn’t force the ball. What I go back to is I don’t care as much about this – I’m happy he did this because it just shows me he’s not afraid; Cam Newton did it and he didn’t throw the ball well and he still was the first pick in the draft. To me, it’s more important what you see on tape.

Then the VERY NEXT SENTENCE.....

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Originally Posted by Mayock

“I want to bang the table because I want to like Geno Smith. We interviewed him, I love what he had to say, but there are just too many inconsistencies on tape for me to say that Kansas City or anybody that high should take him. He’s more of a 20-32 [overall pick player]; I’ve said that based on watching six of his games. I’m going to watch the rest of them, but there are just so many inconsistencies with both Geno Smith and the entire quarterback class that I trouble banging the table for any of them.”

**** right the hell off, Mayock. You don't get to cover all your bases and have it both ways. Either the guy is a franchise QB or he isn't. You just don't want to go back on your own word for whatever reason and proclaim Geno a legit NFL quarterback.

Geno Smith could cure cancer, and Mike Mayock would release a statment saying it's no big deal becasue we were only a few decades away from Biotech and Nanotech doing the exact same thing.

What a ****ing clam.

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-25-2013, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Then the VERY NEXT SENTENCE.....

**** right the hell off, Mayock. You don't get to cover all your bases and have it both ways. Either the guy is a franchise QB or he isn't. You just don't want to go back on your own word for whatever reason and proclaim Geno a legit NFL quarterback.

Geno Smith could cure cancer, and Mike Mayock would release a statment saying it's no big deal becasue we were only a few decades away from Biotech and Nanotech doing the exact same thing.

What a ****ing clam.

As I said before what Mayock said about Flacco

After the Senior Bowl " He's a second round prospect"

Then on draft day " Flacco is a 1st round guy with great upside."

KurtCobain · 02-25-2013, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandusksuna

True dat. True dat. I honestly wonder who his QB coach was and if he ever taught him anything because I don't think he did. It looks like he left UT the way he came. A lot of times people don't take into account the QB coaches at these universities. Either way, the Bray train only has room for one and that's me. The rest of yall please hate on him. It soothes me.

I live bray. Bray at one or die.

DJ's left nut · 02-25-2013, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mayock

“I want to bang the table because I want to like Geno Smith. We interviewed him, I love what he had to say, but there are just too many inconsistencies on tape for me to say that Kansas City or anybody that high should take him. He’s more of a 20-32 [overall pick player]; I’ve said that based on watching six of his games. I’m going to watch the rest of them, but there are just so many inconsistencies with both Geno Smith and the entire quarterback class that I trouble banging the table for any of them.”

I'm going to say this over and over and over again until it sinks in to everyone just how goddamn stupid it is:

Had the Kansas City Chiefs kept Kyle Orton, won 9 games and drafted at 20, Mike Mayock would've called Geno Smith a brilliant pick for a team that needs to upgrade on the Qb position had he somehow fallen to us at 20.

Instead, we got rid of him, had the worst QB situation in football and now Geno Smith is a bad pick.

So in summation:

1) If you have a mediocre QB that wins you a few games = take the best QB in the draft

2) If you have the shittiest starting QB in football that drags your team down to a 2-14 record = draft a !@#$ing left tackle.

Read that twice if you have to because that's exactly what every last one of these stupid mother****ers keep saying.

I am growing to hate them with the heat of 1,000 ****ing suns.

**BossChief** · 02-25-2013, 10:05 PM

I think its ****ing reeruned that Mayock based everything about Geno on 6 ****ING GAMES.

Them at the combine says that "he flashed everything you want to see from a franchise quarterback" ...but doesn't move him up on the overall rankings.

AT MINIMUM Geno should have moved up 5-10 spots on everyones big board after that bad ass combine. He basically did the EXACT SAME THING ANDREW LUCK DID LAST YEAR.

If Geno were white, he would be the unanimous #1 overall pick.

**BossChief** · 02-25-2013, 10:08 PM

The next week of back stepping from Mayock will be like GOLD.

"Well, I had a chance to watch the rest of this guys tape and he is starting to win me over...I saw some really promising things on tape.

If he has a strong proday, this kid should be cemented as the number one overall pick...as it sits, I now see him as a top 12 pick"

**The Franchise** · 02-25-2013, 10:08 PM

Whats hilarious is Rich Eisen and Kurt Warner making Mayock look like an idiot at the3 combine.

RyFo18 · 02-25-2013, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

NFL combine QB recap: Tyler Bray rises, Geno Smith holds steady

Geno holds steady at #1. Excellent.

AussieChiefsFan · 02-25-2013, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Whats hilarious is Rich Eisen and Kurt Warner making Mayock look like an idiot at the3 combine.

Did always like Rich Eisen.

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-25-2013, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Argo

I live bray. Bray at one or die.

Bray has to wow teams during his interviews with the personnel evaluators. If he really impresses them he could go in the top 15 in the 1st round.

02-25-2013, 04:40 PM
Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $942813	NFL combine QB recap: Tyler Bray rises, Geno Smith holds steady NFL combine QB recap: Tyler Bray rises, Geno Smith holds steady INDIANAPOLIS — The 2013 NFL Draft quarterback class is ripe for someone, really anyone, to step up and take the reins as the lead prospect. One of the players in the mix to potentially do that, Matt Barkley, was one of three quarterbacks invited to the scouting combine that did not participate in drills because of an injury (Zac Dysert and Sean Renfree being the others). Barkley’s absence left a host of other contenders hoping to close the gap on West Virginia’s Geno Smith, currently a general-consensus pick as the No. 1 QB available. The QB group worked through its on-field drills on Sunday, two days after meeting with the media. A quick look at how some of the top participating quarterbacks fared this weekend, and what it might mean going forward: Geno Smith, West Virginia Height: 6-2 … Weight: 218 … 40 time: 4.59 … Vertical jump: 33.5 inches If you needed any further proof that there is no RGIII in this year’s QB class, Smith running the best 40-yard-dash at this position should do it. But for Smith, his 4.59 40 should help convince teams that he can get out of the pocket and make plays, even if he’s not an option-offense prospect. On the flip, however, Day 4 of the combine wrapped without any real sense that any QB had separated himself from the rest. All the throws were there for the West Virginia product, but his inability to really run away and hide from the rest of the class certainly will not help his case for the No. 1 overall selection. Ryan Nassib, Syracuse Height: 6-2 … Weight: 227 … 40 time: 5.06 … Vertical jump: 28.5 inches Nassib’s low-end 40 time (unofficially 5.06, better than only Landry Jones at quarterback) proofed what his college tape showed and what he told the media here Friday: He’s not a speed QB. “I’m not much of a runner by trade like some other guys,” Nassib said, when asked if he could run the zone-read. As a pocket passer, though, Nassib did nothing to hurt his stock during Sunday’s workout. The knocks on Nassib include that he lets his mechanics slip and occasionally floats passes downfield. But in the controlled combine environment, he was able to flash a strong, accurate arm. Nassib is a more athletic QB than he showed in the 40, too, so don’t expect his 5.06 to hurt him too much. Mike Glennon, N.C. State Height: 6-7 … Weight: 225 … 40 time: 4.94 … Vertical jump: 26.5 inches Right now, Glennon is a sort of take-what-you-get prospect for NFL teams. He did manage to come in under 5.0 seconds unofficially in the 40, topping Nassib, Tyler Bray and Jones, but he’s simply a tall, gangly QB with room to grow both physically and as a passer. There’s no denying that he has a strong arm — one of the strongest in the draft. Is that enough to convince NFL teams to overlook his downsides? Maybe, but Sunday likely will not go down as his distinguishing moment. Tyler Bray, Tennessee Height: 6-6 … Weight: 232 … 40 time: … Vertical jump: DNP Say hello to your high-riser at the QB position out of the combine. Bray weighed in at 232, up a whopping 24 pounds from his final game at Tennessee. Like Glennon and Nassib, he’s far from a burner or an option guy, so his high 40 time shouldn’t hinder him too much. And that’s especially true because Bray zinged the ball (and did so accurately) during drills. There’s definitely room for quarterbacks to rise and fall between now and the draft, and Bray’s weekend work has him trending in the right direction. Tyler Wilson, Arkansas Height: 6-2 … Weight: 215 … 40 time: 4.94 … Vertical jump: 28.5 inches Wilson was middle of the road in most of Sunday’s drills. That’s an improvement from a couple days ago, when Wilson measured in alongside Colby Cameron and Matt Scott as the smallest QB prospects here (6-2) and stood alone with the smallest hands (8 3/4). The latter could be an issue for a lot of teams — small hands are believed to translate to a weak grip on the football and, thus, fumbles and/or passes that tend to wobble. Wilson still has work to do as a passer, where his footwork tends to desert him. He did not make any glaring mistakes Sunday. E.J. Manuel, Florida State Height: 6-4 … Weight: 237 … 40 time: 4.65 … Vertical jump: 34 inches Manuel said Friday, “I definitely feel I’m the best quarterback in this class.” Even though that may not wind up being true, Manuel continues to look more and more like a definite Day 2 option for teams hoping to develop a quarterback. Manuel finished second to Smith in the 40, but he measured in with the biggest hands of any QB (10 3/8 inches), put up the top vertical jump and posted the second-best broad jump (9 feet, 10 inches). He’s an athlete with a nice arm, plus might be capable of running at least a little read-option. All of that could combine to drive Manuel up the draft board. Landry Jones, Oklahoma Height: 6-4 … Weight: 225 … 40 time: 5.11 … Vertical jump: 31 inches Jones timed in as the slowest of the quarterbacks who participated Sunday, with a 5.11. That’s only so important for a pocket guy like Jones, but it does further the perception that Jones’ all-around game is tolerable yet underwhelming. Jones appeared to have a fine day throwing the football — hitting his spots when able to set and fire has never been his bugaboo, though.
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1904088	These guys are holding Geno to standards that no other quarterback has been held to th last 10 years. The stuff Mayock found to use against Geno was ****ing ridiculous. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1904088	I think its **ing reeruned that Mayock based everything about Geno on 6 **ING GAMES. Them at the combine says that "he flashed everything you want to see from a franchise quarterback" ...but doesn't move him up on the overall rankings. AT MINIMUM Geno should have moved up 5-10 spots on everyones big board after that bad ass combine. He basically did the EXACT SAME THING ANDREW LUCK DID LAST YEAR. If Geno were white, he would be the unanimous #1 overall pick. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1904088	The next week of back stepping from Mayock will be like GOLD. "Well, I had a chance to watch the rest of this guys tape and he is starting to win me over...I saw some really promising things on tape. If he has a strong proday, this kid should be cemented as the number one overall pick...as it sits, I now see him as a top 12 pick" __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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