Football Will the Big X be left out of the playoff again this year? - Page 2

Eleazar · 11-15-2015, 11:01 AM

The Big X as we know has been hamstrung by not having a conference championship game and by only having 10 teams, and with Baylor's loss this weekend, the Big X now has only one undefeated team left - Oklahoma State, who is due to face two top 10 teams in the next two weeks.

Will the Big X be without an argument to put a team in the playoff again this season, when they end up with multiple 1-loss teams and no way to differentiate them?

**LoneWolf** · 11-15-2015, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Yeah! Except not at all. They're #2 in today's Sagarin and the top team in his predictor rating which looks forward. So not even close bro.

You might be the only idiot left who still believes in the Sagarin rankings.

GloucesterChief · 11-15-2015, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

I say all this because it's pretty obvious that for the Big X to be sure they are going to get a team in the playoff anymore, that team will have to be undefeated. Otherwise, they're almost always going to end up arguing for their team against several other 1 loss teams, but those teams will have won their respective conference championships.

(Even if they are left out this year, and scramble to put a championship on the schedule next year, are they still going to be able to argue that winning a 10 team conference is the same as winning a 12 or 14 or 16 team conference?)

It is harder to win a 10 team conference than a 12, 14, or 16 team conference. You don't skip teams in a 10 team conference like you do in the others. Particularly when those conferences with more teams only play 8 conference games and can load up on four cupcakes every year.

**RealSNR** · 11-15-2015, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

I say all this because it's pretty obvious that for the Big X to be sure they are going to get a team in the playoff anymore, that team will have to be undefeated. Otherwise, they're almost always going to end up arguing for their team against several other 1 loss teams, but those teams will have won their respective conference championships.

(Even if they are left out this year, and scramble to put a championship on the schedule next year, are they still going to be able to argue that winning a 10 team conference is the same as winning a 12 or 14 or 16 team conference?)

The conference championship issue is a good point, but it shouldn't matter how many teams are in your conference (within reason) because not everybody plays each other in the mega conferences anyway. What's the difference between a 10-team conference and a 14-team conference where each team has to play the same number of conference games (barring the championship games)

**LoneWolf** · 11-15-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Yeah! Except not at all. They're #2 in today's Sagarin and the top team in his predictor rating which looks forward. So not even close bro.

Who has Oklahoma beaten so far? A ridiculously overrated Tennessee and West Virginia squads? A Baylor team playing with their backup QB?

Rams Fan · 11-15-2015, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

I say all this because it's pretty obvious that for the Big X to be sure they are going to get a team in the playoff anymore, that team will have to be undefeated. Otherwise, they're almost always going to end up arguing for their team against several other 1 loss teams, but those teams will have won their respective conference championships.

(Even if they are left out this year, and scramble to put a championship on the schedule next year, are they still going to be able to argue that winning a 10 team conference is the same as winning a 12 or 14 or 16 team conference?)

Because in a 10 team conference you play everyone vs a team being really good in a weaker division and not playing the best of the best in the conference during the regular season(i.e: Florida not playing all of Alabama, Ole Miss, and LSU during the regular season and Iowa avoiding Michigan, Michigan St., and Ohio St.).

**Trivers** · 11-15-2015, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Who has Oklahoma beaten so far? A ridiculously overrated Tennessee and West Virginia squads? A Baylor team playing with their backup QB?

So if OU wins out against TCU and Okie State, will that change your view?

Eleazar · 11-15-2015, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

The conference championship issue is a good point, but it shouldn't matter how many teams are in your conference (within reason) because not everybody plays each other in the mega conferences anyway. What's the difference between a 10-team conference and a 14-team conference where each team has to play the same number of conference games (barring the championship games)

The difference is that with a conference that is 60% larger, there's a much better chance that in a given year a great team will be there, and the level of the two teams that reach the conference championship should then, in par, be greater.

You might miss a good team in a given year, but you have an equal chance to miss the free wins that Big X teams are living off.

Look at Oklahoma. They are sitting at 6 conference wins. 4 of those wins were freebies - they have come against teams that have 4 conference wins combined. Two of those teams are winless.

Their only quality win is Baylor, and Baylor seems to be a paper tiger - lost to the first ranked team they played. The badness of their loss is much greater than the quality of their one quality win.

Oklahoma will probably finish the year having only played 2 teams that will finish the season ranked. So I don't buy that round robin scheduling makes things harder at all.

**Trivers** · 11-15-2015, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

Definitely. Houston is more deserving than a 1 loss big 12 team if they win out IMO

Seriously......

you think Houston is better than Baylor, TCU, or OU??????

Did you go to school there or something?

**LoneWolf** · 11-15-2015, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Trivers

So if OU wins out against TCU and Okie State, will that change your view?

Nope. Lost to a bad Texas team. The whole idea behind using a committee to decide the 4 team playoff was that every game counts. Right now, Oklahoma has the worst loss off all the contenders.

**Bowser** · 11-15-2015, 12:22 PM

Would any of us be surprised if the Big XII(-4, +2) gets left out? If Oklahoma DOES make it with a terrible loss to a god awful Texas on their resume then it's time to start criticizing the selection process, especially considering what other one loss teams (and possibly some two loss teams) would be left out.

If they DON'T make it in this year, I fully expect them to make a full court push to getting schools like Houston and Louisville into the conference.

**TribalElder** · 11-15-2015, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Even over a 1 loss Oklahoma team(assuming they beat OK St and TCU)?

Oklahoma got their shit pushed in by an awful Texas team

No ****ing way

Plus they will lose again so it won't matter

**TribalElder** · 11-15-2015, 12:23 PM

BYU lolz not Louisville

Louisville would be dumb to change to the big left outs

Rams Fan · 11-15-2015, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

BYU lolz not Louisville

Louisville would be dumb to change to the big left outs

Why would BYU join the Big 12 when they have their own network?

Eleazar · 11-15-2015, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Trivers

Seriously......

you think Houston is better than Baylor, TCU, or OU??????

Did you go to school there or something?

TCU isn't even in the conversation.

Baylor will likely be a 2 loss team (or more) so they won't be either.

**Bowser** · 11-15-2015, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Why would BYU join the Big 12 when they have their own network?

Texas fan is very interested in this answer....

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