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Old 07-18-2018, 02:04 AM  
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Trump & Russia - what we know

  • Russia stole a massive volume of information from the Democratic Party and the Clinton campaign, and used it to help trump win the election, deploying it at times designed to ensure maximum impact
  • Trump publicaly asked russia to hack Clinton's emails, and that's what they did the same day
  • Roger stone appeared to have advance warning of the release of the hacked emails
  • The top ranks of Trump's campaign showed clear willingness to cooperate with russian agents. His camapaign chair, son in law, and son, eagerly met with a russian operative who had promised some dirt on Clinton
  • Trump dictated a statement lying about that meeting
  • Trump fired the FBI director, initially lied about why, then went on TV and explained that he fired him to end the russia investigation
  • Trump has wanted to fire his attorney general for inadequately protecting trump from the investigation
  • In 2008, Trump's son said that they don't rely on American banks - they have all the funding they need from russia
  • Between 2003 and 2017, buyers from russia or the former soviet republics made 86 all cash sales of almost $109M at 10 trump branded properies
  • Trump's campaign manager (Manafort) was deeply in debt to a russian oligarch with close ties to putin, and when he was in charge of trump's campaign he asked this guy how he could use his position to get whole
  • Russia intelligence attack included extensive social media campaign, bots who elevated news stories helping trump and hurting clinton, and efforts to compromise state voting machines
  • Trump interfered with the RNC platform to soften the language on Russia and the Ukraine
  • Kusher sought a secret communications channel with the Russians, one that the US government would not be able to monitor
  • Trump fought tooth and nail against the sanctions passed to punish Russia for interference, he signed them and made a statement denouncing them, then waited as long as possible to enforce them
  • Trump's foreign policy moves, specifically his trashing of NATO, are consistent with Russian foreign policy objectives, not (historically bipartisam) American objectives
  • Trump insisted on the Helsinki meeting over the objections of his staff and without a clear agenda
  • Trump stood up in front of the world and said he believed the KGB officer over his own intelligence agencies. Agencies who were in consensus and have shown their work in countless indictments.

It's happened piece by piece by piece, but put together it's staggering. No reasonable person can look honestly at what we know about Trump Russia and conclude he's anything other than a Russian asset.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:21 AM   #46
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Rodeo, go read Taco John's posts in the 9/11 thread.

Now go read your OP.

Do you see similarities?
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:28 AM   #47
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Ummm. No. Small number of management machines deployed in 2000 and 2006 are not being hacked by Russia in 2016, and especially not to the extent of altering an election.

Keep trying.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:29 AM   #48
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Here you go, Bitch:

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/medi...DRAFT_12_FINAL[1]-ben_1468872234.pdf
Your link is broken, and you're not pointing out what you eventually want me to address. Gotta do better than this.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:33 AM   #49
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Your link is broken, and you're not pointing out what you eventually want me to address. Gotta do better than this.
It works for me (the link had the URL in the wrong place when copied). Now fixed:

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/medi...1468872234.pdf

I'm asking you to acknowledge that the GOP platform included details on what was agreed upon and presented regarding Ukraine at the GOP convention.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:34 AM   #50
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The Irony of Americans complaining about election meddling, while *Likely* it can't be proven because well.... Democrats destroyed their servers.

Also everyone seems to forget that the RNC was also targeted but was more secure.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:35 AM   #51
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It works for me:

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/medi...1468872234.pdf

I'm asking you to acknowledge that the GOP platform included details on what was agreed upon and presented regarding Ukraine at the GOP convention.
You posted a 66-page PDF

Post what page or cite the verbiage you're referring to.


I'm not fishing thru that entire doc
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:35 AM   #52
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Ummm. No. Small number of management machines deployed in 2000 and 2006 are not being hacked by Russia in 2016, and especially not to the extent of altering an election.

Keep trying.
How do you know they weren't?

Anyway, you asked and I answered. Like I said.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:35 AM   #53
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Ummm. No. Small number of management machines deployed in 2000 and 2006 are not being hacked by Russia in 2016, and especially not to the extent of altering an election.

Keep trying.
And it doesnt answer the question of hacking machines not on the interwebs...remote access still must have a connection to the machine, whether its inter or intra network. Also of note, reading the tweets attached to the wyden tweet in the article was highly enjoyable. I'm thinking Donger didnt actually read the article he posted from newsweek.
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You posted a 66-page PDF

Post what page or cite the verbiage you're referring to.


I'm not fishing thru that entire doc
It's easy, Bitch. There are only three mentions of Ukraine in the whole thing. You're good at searching, right?

Ctrl+F and type in Ukraine.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:38 AM   #55
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It's easy, Bitch. There are only three mentions of Ukraine in the whole thing. You're good at searching, right?

Ctrl+F and type in Ukraine.

That's not how debate works. I often have to educate you on the rules.

You make a claim, you post the verbiage. Not "Go look thru my document".
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That's not how debate works. I often have to educate you on the rules.

You make a claim, you post the verbiage. Not "Go look thru my document".
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:39 AM   #57
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That's not how debate works. I often have to educate you on the rules.

You make a claim, you post the verbiage. Not "Go look thru my document".
Odd that you spent countless, fruitless hours searching through my posts...

Anyway, here you go, Bitch:

We support maintaining and, if warranted,
increasing sanctions, together with our allies,
against Russia unless and until Ukraine’s sovereignty
and territorial integrity are fully restored. We also
support providing appropriate assistance to the
armed forces of Ukraine and greater coordination
with NATO defense planning.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:40 AM   #58
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It's crazy to me that when that info on Clinton hit the press, they barely even talked about it before they turned it around and made it about the "Trump/Russia election hacking". Talk about political spin doctoring and having the media in your pocket.
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Odd that you spent countless, fruitless hours searching through my posts...

Anyway, here you go, Bitch:

We support maintaining and, if warranted,
increasing sanctions, together with our allies,
against Russia unless and until Ukraine’s sovereignty
and territorial integrity are fully restored. We also
support providing appropriate assistance to the
armed forces of Ukraine and greater coordination
with NATO defense planning.


So what am I'm I looking at here? Is this tie final version?


If so, was it weaker than the prior version? What is your angle here.
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