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Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

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Old 05-29-2017, 08:15 PM   #1576
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The problem with all these scenarios is... if you trade Hosmer and Moose away, I don't think it's very likely they come back. So then you have to sign them now. And I just don't see that happening. Boras would throw himself in front of a moving train before he let that happen. He was just going on the other day about how Arrieta is still an elite pitcher and will be paid as such. I can't imagine what he's probably asking for Moose and Hosmer.

The other option would be just to ride it out, don't trade them and see if you're competitive in free agency.
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Old 05-29-2017, 08:20 PM   #1577
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It really is a great surprise that Merrifield may actually be a good enough big leaguer. That really makes it a lot easier to not have a full rebuild. Keep Moose, move Cuthbert to first, and you may have a pretty good infield.

Can Soler play CF?
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The problem with all these scenarios is... if you trade Hosmer and Moose away, I don't think it's very likely they come back. So then you have to sign them now. And I just don't see that happening. Boras would throw himself in front of a moving train before he let that happen. He was just going on the other day about how Arrieta is still an elite pitcher and will be paid as such. I can't imagine what he's probably asking for Moose and Hosmer.

The other option would be just to ride it out, don't trade them and see if you're competitive in free agency.
I'm hoping their trade value is good and teams want them at the deadline
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Old 05-29-2017, 10:09 PM   #1581
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You honestly don't see the difference between now and when he said it?
Yeah 2 weeks ago huge difference we didnt know they were gonna be out of it then alot of true fans in here. They werent going to sell until after the draft anyway. Lots of time even after the draft they can still make it!
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Does Ned watch the games?
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He does. Do you?

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Soria and Minor HAVE been our best relievers all year.
Yeah, they just had shit games. It happens
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Pretty depressing day.

Listening to Duffy dejectedly talk about his injury was painful. Just love that guy and feel for him.

He still blames being hurt for the team not winning the WS in 14. I imagine he'll carry this injury around - and being responsible for "the boys" breaking up, too.

It's fun when football fans who don't really know baseball show their ass repeatedly in this thread. Wait. No, it isn't.

Time to go into reload mode. With Duffy, Karns, and Kennedy, Kansas City has 3/5 of a rotation good enough to contend. Perez offers an answer at one of the 9 positions, and KC looks to have some solid/hopeful options in Soler, Bonifacio, Merrifield and Cuthbert.

They need pieces, but this isn't a complete tear down. Get some of the right pieces back, and KC could be reasonably targeting being back in contention in 2019 or 2020.


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Pretty depressing day.

Listening to Duffy dejectedly talk about his injury was painful. Just love that guy and feel for him.

He still blames being hurt for the team not winning the WS in 14. I imagine he'll carry this injury around - and being responsible for "the boys" breaking up, too.

It's fun when football fans who don't really know baseball show their ass repeatedly in this thread. Wait. No, it isn't.

Time to go into reload mode. With Duffy, Karns, and Kennedy, Kansas City has 3/5 of a rotation good enough to contend. Perez offers an answer at one of the 9 positions, and KC looks to have some solid/hopeful options in Soler, Bonifacio, Merrifield and Cuthbert.

They need pieces, but this isn't a complete tear down. Get some of the right pieces back, and KC could be reasonably targeting being back in contention in 2019 or 2020.


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Looking at possible trade fits if Royals sell


By*Mark Feinsand*/*MLB.com*|*@feinsand*|*2:20 AM ET

Things have not gone all that well for the Royals this season.

Only 18 months removed from a World Series title, Kansas City has the worst record in the American League at 21-29 -- and no clear signs of things getting better.

According to two sources close to the situation, the Royals seem to have lost some of the mojo they displayed during their 2014 World Series trip and '15 title. And with several key guys headed for free agency at the end of the season --*Eric Hosmer,*Mike Moustakas,*Alcides Escobar,*Lorenzo Cain*and*Jason Vargas*-- there isn't the same degree of unity.

"The vibe isn't the same as it was a year or two ago," one source said.

General manager Dayton Moore told MLB.com's Jeffrey Flanagan on Wednesday that he's*not ready to give up on 2017*just yet, still believing the Royals can contend.

"My thought process hasn't changed," Moore said. "I thought this was a playoff-caliber team coming out of Spring Training, and I still think that way."

That means the GM won't be dangling his players to other teams -- at least not yet. Should things remain bleak when the calendar turns to July, things could change.

"I'm not throwing up the white flag," Moore said. "We just go. We go and we play and we do everything we can as an organization to win every game. We strive to get better every day.

"We are going to remain focused on winning in 2017, and I mean throughout 2017. We believe we owe it to our players and to our fan base. We'll remain laser-focused on winning."

If the time comes when Moore feels differently, he might find himself as one of the season's first sellers, looking to turn those free-agents-to-be into prospects for the future. With the exception of Escobar, who is off to a rough start to 2017 (.438 OPS in 203 plate appearances), the other players with expiring contracts should appeal to several contenders around the league.

Of course, with the new rules regarding free agents,*we could see Trade Deadline strategies altered significantly. With that in mind, here are some possible matches for the Royals if and when that fire sale begins:

Cain and*Kelvin Herrera*to the Nationals
With*Bryce Harper*headed for free agency after the 2018 season, Washington is focused on this two-year window to make a run at the World Series.*Adam Eaton*is out for the year, and the back of the bullpen continues to be an issue, so Cain and Herrera would fill both holes for the Nats. Cain will be a free agent this offseason, but Herrera makes only $5.325 million this season and is under control through '18 as a fourth-year arbitration-eligible player. Three of Washington's top five*prospects, according to*MLBPipeline.com, are outfielders, while the Royals' system is pitching-heavy and lacking many position players.

Hosmer to the Astros
Finding a taker for Hosmer could be tricky for the Royals, as most contenders are set at first base for the immediate future. The Dodgers are unlikely to cut ties with the struggling*Adrian Gonzalez, but the Astros could view Hosmer as an upgrade over*Yuli Gurriel, or at least a left-handed-hitting complement for their righty-heavy lineup. If Kansas City can't find an offer that piques its interest, the Royals could decide to keep Hosmer and collect a Draft pick after the first round -- provided that Hosmer signs a free-agent deal worth at least $50 million, per the*Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Moustakas to the Red Sox
Pablo Sandoval's feel-good comeback this season was a nice spring story, but the third baseman sported a .646 OPS through the first 17 games before landing on the disabled list with a right knee injury that has shelved him for the past month. Boston will surely give him a chance to re-establish himself at the hot corner, but if his bat doesn't shape up, a two- or three-month rental of Moustakas -- who has 13 homers -- makes some sense. And Red Sox president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski has never been afraid to move a prospect or two if he sees a chance to improve his team.


Vargas to the Yankees
Vargas may be 0-2 with an 8.10 ERA in two starts against the Yanks this season, but the 34-year-old is 6-1 with a 1.25 ERA against everybody else. A move to the Bronx would assure that Vargas wouldn't have to deal with the Yankees' potent lineup, adding a veteran arm to a rotation that will likely need some reinforcement in the summer months. Hal Steinbrenner has made it clear that he has no interest in picking apart the farm system GM Brian Cashman has built, but the Yanks' B-level prospects carry a lot of value, too. If the Yankees see an opportunity to contend, they won't hesitate to make a move.
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Time to go into reload mode. With Duffy, Karns, and Kennedy, Kansas City has 3/5 of a rotation good enough to contend. Perez offers an answer at one of the 9 positions, and KC looks to have some solid/hopeful options in Soler, Bonifacio, Merrifield and Cuthbert.

They need pieces, but this isn't a complete tear down. Get some of the right pieces back, and KC could be reasonably targeting being back in contention in 2019 or 2020.
I'd like to think there is potential in Omaha.
Duncan what's the deal on Pitcher Jonathan Dziedzic (3-1 in 5 starts, .094 ERA) and SS Ramon Torres (batting .330 with 5 HR's). Never hear anything about these guys but they seem to be putting up good numbers at AAA.
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I feel your pain, DI. Hey, just curious as to who among Cain, Moose, Hoz you'd like to see them lock up to a long term contract? Of course, anyone can be moved for the right deal, but given that the return is modest, who would you keep?

The only member of that trio who makes sense to me to pay what they'll command is Moustakas.

Cain's injury history makes him too big a risk for Kansas City. Hosmer just isn't as exceptional as the contract he'll demand (and honestly, only the criticism he'd receive in a major market is enough for him to fix the problems with his swing that prevent him from hitting for the power he should).


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