ChiefsPlanet I Say We Give Hootie Just One More Chance - Page 10

Dinny Bossa Nova · 01-05-2017, 09:39 PM

My Alex thread was gettin' all Hootied up.

But enough about me.

DO WE GIVE HOOTIE ONE MORE CHANCE OR WHAT??????

Dinny

Chiefnj2 · 01-06-2017, 02:52 PM

Holy cow. I never knew their was a Royals Planet. It is the funniest thing in the world, if not a bit disturbing.

Hootie apparently reads CP, but since he can't post here, he responds on Royals Planet. He's basically talking to himself about CP posts. It's like a lunatic raving in an asylum in a sound proof room.

In his defense, it appears he got a bad rap on the fan duel matter. He never stole, he never played the CP lineups himself, he disclosed he was going to run some lineups on his own. Seems like people were mad at him for other things and used FD as a means to gather up support and run him out of town.

Mr. Laz · 01-06-2017, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Can we just make this a boob thread instead?

http://i.imgur.com/0mkD7Tw.jpg

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Chiefspants · 01-06-2017, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

I wasn't involved, but as best as I've been able to understand, it was something like:

Bunch of guys pool their money to play (gamble) on FanDuel.
Hootie irritates a bunch of them by kind of running it with everyone's money with little input from others, losing half of their money in only the first couple weeks.
Hootie got some sort of bonus on his own, separate, account and played "teams" (not sure if that's the right word) that were similar to the CP teams, which theoretically reduces the chance that the CP teams will be successful. This is a big no no since people had generally agreed that they wouldn't do that (even though the actual impact is relatively modest).
Hootie gets kicked out and goes batshit crazy defending himself all over CP and eventually gets banned through some combination of irritating the **** out of everyone and breaking some arbitrary rule about "not talking about fight club."
The rest of the crew continues the game and doesn't really do any better than Hootie did, and all of the money slowly dwindles down through the rest of the season.

I also wasn't involved, but I got to know Hootie pretty well on the Royals thread and I know Flopnuts from the support he's given my non-profit, so I've been pretty interested in getting to the bottom of this for the last year.

1. I think an important point of clarification is that Hootie never had control of the planeteers money, BRC did. Where things got in trouble was that Hootie was in charge of the first week lineups with three other CP members, the four of them changed three of the lineups as planned, but accidentally altered a fourth lineup without permission. With what I've heard on here, Hootie wasn't too apologetic about the mixup and accidentally altering that lineup (alienating some of the CP crew) - but it wasn't something that he did with malicious intent.

The four planenteers in charge of the Week 1 lineups in FanDuel ended up losing half of CP's $5,000 investment for the season. Hootie didn't "run away" with the money, but it's more that those are sort of the breaks with services like FD.

3. Referring to the lineups, I believe the ethical gray area is that if you enter CP's lineups in a personal league, and if the lineups win money, you will win individual money that you'd be able to pocket without sharing it with the overall league. Since the idea that the CP lineups were developed with group input, the idea that Hootie would walk away with money of his own from the group's input didn't sit well with some people. Hootie was also adamant in the beginning that no one participate in individual leagues with the group's lineups for this very reason - and this blatant hypocrisy on this position didn't sit well with the community.

From Hootie's end, he points out that he never played the individual lineups after hearing the uproar from the rest of the CP group. The CP group points out that this uproar was caused when he dragged the conversation on FD into a thread on the main forum (another violation of the rules). TimBone also points out that the only reason he didn't play his personal lineups were because he was banned before he had the chance to play them. Hootie may have a different view on the last point.

Something undeniable was that Hootie's involvement was spun by a few on here as 1. stealing CP's money, or 2. Commandeering the FD group and causing everyone to lose their investments. It at least appears like these explanations were disingenuous at best. It doesn't make Hootie a white knight, as he made quite a ****storm about FD on the main forum, but it adds more nuance to the story. Hootie has long beaten the drum to make the FD forum public so we could determine how everything went down rather than relying on second hand info, but it's been so long that I doubt that happens at this point.

Everything else looks pretty accurate from what I've read from both sides, though.

**TimBone** · 01-06-2017, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red

official statement from Thig Lyfe: "hey guys, miss u!"

He's sweet.

**TimBone** · 01-06-2017, 03:42 PM

Hootie had no ill intentions with the FanDuel situation. However, he is absolutely awful at working with others.

**TimBone** · 01-06-2017, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

From Hootie's end, he points out that he never played the individual lineups after hearing the uproar from the rest of the CP group. The CP group points out that this uproar was caused when he dragged the conversation on FD into a thread on the main forum (another violation of the rules).

IIRC, he didn't play them because he was booted the same week he announced he was going to play them. He made it very clear he was going to play them regardless of how much it would piss people off. That was what created the uproar.

Had he seen the hypocrisy of wanting to play his free rolls after he was the one that created the rule in the first place, there might not have been a huge blow up.

Chiefspants · 01-06-2017, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone

IIRC, he didn't play them because he was booted the same week he announced he was going to play them. He made it very clear he was going to play them regardless of how much it would piss people off. That was what created the uproar.

Noted, I'll edit my initial post to include that.

**Bugeater** · 01-06-2017, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Holy cow. I never knew their was a Royals Planet. It is the funniest thing in the world, if not a bit disturbing.

Hootie apparently reads CP, but since he can't post here, he responds on Royals Planet. He's basically talking to himself about CP posts. It's like a lunatic raving in an asylum in a sound proof room.

In his defense, it appears he got a bad rap on the fan duel matter. He never stole, he never played the CP lineups himself, he disclosed he was going to run some lineups on his own. Seems like people were mad at him for other things and used FD as a means to gather up support and run him out of town.

That's exactly how I see it.

**DaFace** · 01-06-2017, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BeaverEater

That's exactly how I see it.

Were you able to get back into RoyalsPlanet?

**TimBone** · 01-06-2017, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BeaverEater

That's exactly how I see it.

I think there was definitely some of that. He and crazycoffey certainly have a history, and there was a thread in the fanduel forum one night where crazycoffey was giving him a super hard time, and hootie was actually trying drop the subject. I believe that's drama played a major part into the whole thing blowing up.

**Bugeater** · 01-06-2017, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

Were you able to get back into RoyalsPlanet?

I just saw your post a little bit ago, and yes, I am in now. Now I have to get over the sting of being demoted.

**Dartgod** · 01-06-2017, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone

I think there was definitely some of that. He and crazycoffey certainly have a history, and there was a thread in the fanduel forum one night where crazycoffey was giving him a super hard time, and hootie was actually trying drop the subject. I believe that's drama played a major part into the whole thing blowing up.

Which as I understand it was the reason for his banning. I've seen several people take Hootie's side in saying that he tried to avoid the "bait" that CC was throwing out, but Flop banned him anyway.

I think Hootie got a raw deal regarding the banning.

**DaFace** · 01-06-2017, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BeaverEater

I just saw your post a little bit ago, and yes, I am in now. Now I have to get over the sting of being demoted.

I think I found the issue (though it's just a pure bug, but whatever). You should be re-admin-ed now.

**Bugeater** · 01-06-2017, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

I think I found the issue (though it's just a pure bug, but whatever). You should be re-admin-ed now.

It really doesn't matter, I was being dramatic. But thanks for looking into it!

**DaFace** · 01-06-2017, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BeaverEater

It really doesn't matter, I was being dramatic. But thanks for looking into it!

Sure. That software is clearly buggy. Right now, on the main page I see the latest post being from TimBone this morning, but if I click into the forum it doesn't show any new posts today at all. No clue what that's all about, but don't care enough to dig into it. My guess is it's just bugs that haven't been worked out (which is why CP has never migrated).

01-05-2017, 09:39 PM
Dinny Bossa Nova MVP Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $9990442	I Say We Give Hootie Just One More Chance My Alex thread was gettin' all Hootied up. But enough about me. DO WE GIVE HOOTIE ONE MORE CHANCE OR WHAT?????? Dinny
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01-06-2017, 02:52 PM	#136
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7883688	Holy cow. I never knew their was a Royals Planet. It is the funniest thing in the world, if not a bit disturbing. Hootie apparently reads CP, but since he can't post here, he responds on Royals Planet. He's basically talking to himself about CP posts. It's like a lunatic raving in an asylum in a sound proof room. In his defense, it appears he got a bad rap on the fan duel matter. He never stole, he never played the CP lineups himself, he disclosed he was going to run some lineups on his own. Seems like people were mad at him for other things and used FD as a means to gather up support and run him out of town. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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01-06-2017, 03:42 PM	#140
TimBone Mostly Ignored Join Date: Jul 2013 Casino cash: $8499985	Hootie had no ill intentions with the FanDuel situation. However, he is absolutely awful at working with others.
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