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Old 10-15-2018, 05:28 PM  
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Through six games, the Chiefs are the worst defense ever measured in yards allowed

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Through six games, the Chiefs are the worst defense ever measured in yards allowed. They’ve yielded 2,809 yards, or 468.2 per game, and are on pace for 7,491 yards allowed over the full season. That would smash the record set by the 2012 Saints, the only team in history to give up more than 7,000 yards. No team that’s allowed even 6,600 yards in a season has ever finished with a winning record.
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Old 10-16-2018, 09:41 AM   #46
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ppg is the only stat that matters
We allow 30 ppg. That's good, right?
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Old 10-16-2018, 09:59 AM   #47
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We allow 30 ppg. That's good, right?
It is when we have Mahomes /homers
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Old 10-16-2018, 11:46 AM   #48
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At this point, just cut everyone possible and replace them all with vet min scrap heap FAs and buy more O linemen and weapons for the O
So true.

If I recall correctly, Sutton's most productive defenses as a Chief were 2013-2014. That would be the same period where we had Poe AND Howard along with a still serviceable Hali and DJ.
That should be enough for any D coach to work with, along with a few other players that I neglect to remember/ mention.
And yet there was nothing particularly special about those units, nothing that really stays in my memory. Certainly nothing to warrant keeping Sutton over investigating some other possibilities.
At this point I would not want Sutton overseeing a rebuild in ANY form or capacity. And I sure as **** don't want to have to rely on 50+ points a game to win against good teams either.
Nobody wants to admit that this defense has become G-Rob II much less admit that it is headed to being even worse than that. Our supposed "backbone" in Berry/Houston has been in traction to the point where no identifiable leadership can be seen from anyone on that squad, and my interest level in their output could best be described as "sitting on the pot reading National Geographic".
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Old 10-16-2018, 11:58 AM   #49
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The chiefs have allowed 172 points in 6 games.



Geezus, it's not like KC is 10th in points allowed. They're 27th allowing almost 29 points per game. That's atrocious.
That has nothing to do with the yards/points metric for defensive rankings.

Iím saying yards arenít the best measure. Period.
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Old 10-16-2018, 12:32 PM   #50
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I know this defense ALSO gives up a lot of points, but why the **** are basic defensive rankings based on yards and not points? I've always thought that was ****ing bullshit.

If your team doesn't give up points, isn't it doing its job? If your defense gives up 500 yards in a game to an opposing team, but they hold them at the goal line or get turnovers on each of those drives and hold them to zero points, isn't that the ****ing point of being a defense?
This is a good example in how yards allowed can cloud ones perspective in terms of overlooking the other important things done on defense like getting turnovers and preventing points in critical situations like you said.

Stats are smoke in mirrors at times bud. They donít tell the whole story. I think its important to pay attention to both stats and the intricacies of the game. Those are the true tell tale signs of performance.
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Old 10-16-2018, 04:30 PM   #51
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But I keep being told by people here that this isn't anywhere near as bad as the 2003 defense, despite practically every metric pointing to the contrary.
The defense last night forced a punt. They got a strip sack. They got a turnover on downs and they forced 4 field goal tries, not counting the final one.

That is way ahead of the 2003 KC no-punt playoff game vs Indy.

When the current defense has a game where they allow a TD on every possession, get back to me.
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Old 10-16-2018, 04:36 PM   #52
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... they forced 4 field goal tries, not counting the final one.

Any reason specifically that last field goal doesn't count?
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Old 10-16-2018, 05:44 PM   #53
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It's not good to give up lots of yards. I'm not saying that doesn't matter.

But what's more important? And if you're the NFL, why use yards over points? Because not only do points also matter, I think they're MORE important of a metric when evaluating total team defense.
I'm more into the points metric, but I should still take the yards into consideration.

Again, this is just a hypothetical scenario, but if the Chiefs were in the top 10 on yards allowed but 27th in points allowed, what does that usually tell you?
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The defense last night forced a punt. They got a strip sack. They got a turnover on downs and they forced 4 field goal tries, not counting the final one.

That is way ahead of the 2003 KC no-punt playoff game vs Indy.

When the current defense has a game where they allow a TD on every possession, get back to me.
I must had missed the part where they forced a punt. I know they got turnovers and forced turnover on downs. But I don't recall ever seeing them forcing a punt.....
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Old 10-16-2018, 05:56 PM   #55
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I'm more into the points metric, but I should still take the yards into consideration.

Again, this is just a hypothetical scenario, but if the Chiefs were in the top 10 on yards allowed but 27th in points allowed, what does that usually tell you?
That the offense is terrible and/or turnover prone?
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That the offense is terrible and/or turnover prone?
Correct, that's how I read it. My point is, I take the points metric over the yards, but I still have to consider the yards though.

That being said, the Chiefs are giving up too many yards to my liking. It just looks worse because of the fact that they are not getting much turnovers, compared to 2003. And unless they play Blake Bortles or a trash QB from the AFC South, turnovers are not going to come by in the playoffs.
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Old 10-16-2018, 06:13 PM   #57
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Correct, that's how I read it. My point is, I take the points metric over the yards, but I still have to consider the yards though.

That being said, the Chiefs are giving up too many yards to my liking. It just looks worse because of the fact that they are not getting much turnovers, compared to 2003. And unless they play Blake Bortles or a trash QB from the AFC South, turnovers are not going to come by in the playoffs.
Yeah, I posted it yesterday.

The 2003 Chiefs, as bad as they were, forced 37 TOs, including 25 INTs.

This defense is on pace for 24 TOs, including only 16 INTs. That's unbelievably bad considering what Bortles' 4 INTs does to the extrapolation. They have TWO INTs in 5 games.
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Old 10-16-2018, 06:20 PM   #59
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