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At least 8 killed in Santa Fe High School shooting

At least 8 killed in Santa Fe High School shooting

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Old 05-18-2018, 10:59 AM   #46
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:59 AM   #47
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No, i don't think so. It's the honest truth.

This is the unavoidable outcome in a nation with public gun access. There's no preventing this. None.

So solute these kids with respect, as they were the latest unavoidable sacrifice so we can enjoy our freedoms. Their death is the by-product of our necessity to own guns.

So imo, they deserve every bit of respect, if not more than a fallen soldier.

I know my comments won't sit well with many. They're unsavory. No, im not calling to take your guns.

I'm acknowledging the truth and the truth isn't always sweet.
Well said.
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:02 AM   #48
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WTF is wrong with people. Ridiculous and sad.
I truly wish that I could understand the thought process with some of these "people". Apparently, it is one student - going off on other students. But why is "Shooting up the school" the preferred method today?

What I mean is - I'm an old man, granted. However, we used to carry our shotguns and rifles in the backs of our pickup trucks or in the trunks of cars when we were at school. We would go hunting after school. Take the squirrels or rabbits or whatever home that night. Never shot up one school. Not one.

Guns were nothing more than tools in the 50s and 60s.

What has caused this change in the minds of these wackos today? I mean, we can put the blame on any number of "behaviors" from single parent homes to video games to lack of training with firearms, I guess. And before any of you liberal idiots claim that it is the availability of "Guns" Bullshit. Guns were more readily available back then than they are now. Hell, you could buy a 7MM Mauser at a Kmart for $25. So stop with the "Gun Control Bullshit".

Is it because kids don't know how to settle "problems" with their fists out behind the gym? Or is it something as insidious as these crazy son-of-a-bitches wanting to add to the number of school shootings in an effort to further "gun control"? I mean, seriously, I am absolutely astounded that shit like this goes on today - but there HAS to be a causal effect - doesn't there? Is it something so simple as the signs that read "Gun Free Zone" that makes schools such easy targets?

This country is so screwed.....
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:02 AM   #49
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Oh here we go again...please tell us what law would have prevented the incident today?
The objective of gun control laws is to make gun deaths less common and mass shooting less likely. No law will be able to be able to prevent all gun deaths or stop all bad things, but let's not make the perfect the enemy of the good!

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Now they are going to condemn the big bad shotgun that was illegal to have at the school and illegal to shoot at people...
Or the laws that allowed this person to so easily acquire a gun! But mass shootings are less of a problem than the 1-2 person day to day gun violence which kills a much higher number of americans.

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As the mult hears the news and rushes to CP to push its agenda.
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So we would just deal with knife attacks and acid bomb attacks like they have in England? Fantastic idea!

Psychotic killers will find a way to be psychotic and kill, with or without guns you numbskull.
When something is harder to do it happens less often. For example, mass knife attacks are typically less deadly than mass shootings. It's much harder to kill yourself or someone else with a knife than a gun, which is why modern countries with strict gun control laws have lower homicide and suicide rates, and when countries pass strict gun control laws they see meaningful reductions in the number of gun deaths.

I know the gun nuts love to frame the argument as "well you can't stop everything so may as well stop nothing" because they know that "no gun law will stop all bad things" is a true statement. Too bad for them it's a super shitty argument.
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:02 AM   #50
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:03 AM   #51
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I truly wish that I could understand the thought process with some of these "people". Apparently, is one student - going off on other students. But why is "Shooting up the school" the preferred method today?

What I mean is - I'm an old man, granted. However, we used to carry our shotguns and rifles in the backs of our pickup trucks or in the trunks of cars when we were at school. We would go hunting after school. Take the squirrels or rabbits or whatever home that night.

Guns were nothing more than tools in the 50s and 60s.

What has caused this change in the minds of these wackos today? I mean, we can put the blame on any number of "behaviors" from single parent homes to video games to lack of training with firearms, I guess.

Is it because kids don't know how to settle "problems" with their fists out behind the gym? Or is it something as insidious as these crazy son-of-a-bitches wanting to add to the number of school shootings in an effort to further "gun control"? I mean, seriously, I am absolutely astounded that shit like this goes on today - but there HAS to be a causal effect - doesn;t there? Is it something so simple as the signs that read "Gun Free Zone" that makes schools such easy targets?

This country is so screwed.....
It's because when you're a loner or outcast this is how you get noticed and go down in history.
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:05 AM   #52
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No, i don't think so. It's the honest truth.

This is the unavoidable outcome in a nation with public gun access. There's no preventing this. None.

So solute these kids with respect, as they were the latest unavoidable sacrifice so we can enjoy our freedoms. Their death is the by-product of our necessity to own guns.

So imo, they deserve every bit of respect, if not more than a fallen soldier.

I know my comments won't sit well with many. They're unsavory. No, im not calling to take your guns.

I'm acknowledging the truth and the truth isn't always sweet.
I'm trying to figure out WHY the number of shootings are occurring now, when they were a lot less prevalent 30 years ago. There were plenty of guns 30 years ago to get the job done if someone felt so inclined. I think it has a lot to do with narcissistic punks wanting instant celebrity status. "I'm not getting noticed, but this will do the trick."

We used to take our riffles and shotguns to high school, keep them in the gun racks of our trucks and hunt after school. How things have changed.
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:06 AM   #53
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"If you don't want to give up our guns, then you don't care about the safety of our children!"

I can already hear it. The bleeding hearts on here are basically saying it right now.
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:07 AM   #54
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I'm trying to figure out WHY the number of shootings are occurring now, when they were a lot less prevalent 30 years ago. There were plenty of guns 30 years ago to get the job done if someone felt so inclined. I think it has a lot to do with narcissistic punks wanting instant celebrity status. "I'm not getting noticed, but this will do the trick."

We used to take our riffles and shotguns to high school, keep them in the gun racks of our trucks and hunt after school. How things have changed.
Exactly. Balls on accurate.
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:09 AM   #55
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And the shitty arguments come. Like moths to a flame.



The objective of gun control laws is to make gun deaths less common and mass shooting less likely. No law will be able to be able to prevent all gun deaths or stop all bad things, but let's not make the perfect the enemy of the good!



Or the laws that allowed this person to so easily acquire a gun! But mass shootings are less of a problem than the 1-2 person day to day gun violence which kills a much higher number of americans.



WTF does this mean. What agenda.



When something is harder to do it happens less often. For example, mass knife attacks are typically less deadly than mass shootings. It's much harder to kill yourself or someone else with a knife than a gun, which is why modern countries with strict gun control laws have lower homicide and suicide rates, and when countries pass strict gun control laws they see meaningful reductions in the number of gun deaths.

I know the gun nuts love to frame the argument as "well you can't stop everything so may as well stop nothing" because they know that "no gun law will stop all bad things" is a true statement. Too bad for them it's a super shitty argument.
In other words you are just ranting off talking points and have no ****ing idea of any law that would have prevented today.
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:10 AM   #56
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It's because when you're a loner or outcast this is how you get noticed and go down in history.

Wrong. He will NOT go down in history. The killers name is forgotten as quickly as the shooting.

The only Mass shooter that I (myself) even remotely remember was Charles Whitman - probably the ONLY shooter from the 40s-50s-60s-70s-80s-and 90s. He killed several people in the Clock tower at University of Texas.

Couldn't tell you the name of any of these whack jobs from the last 10-15 years.
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:13 AM   #57
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I'm trying to figure out WHY the number of shootings are occurring now, when they were a lot less prevalent 30 years ago. There were plenty of guns 30 years ago to get the job done if someone felt so inclined. I think it has a lot to do with narcissistic punks wanting instant celebrity status. "I'm not getting noticed, but this will do the trick."
I agree, i think that's part of it. I've always referred to it as the "new suicide". It's the new fashionable way to end your life.

Teenagers have always been emotional, erratic and irrational. That's why they get so much shit for being teenagers.

Then Columbine happened and a trend started. Mass murder became tangible. A new way to teach someone/everyone a lesson; to show more than just your parents how this person or that group wronged you.
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Or is it something as insidious as these crazy son-of-a-bitches wanting to add to the number of school shootings in an effort to further "gun control"?
I can assure you it isn't this. This is Conservative media filling you head with bullshit and a little of it just spilled onto your keyboard.
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Wrong. He will NOT go down in history. The killers name is forgotten as quickly as the shooting.

The only Mass shooter that I (myself) even remotely remember was Charles Whitman - probably the ONLY shooter from the 40s-50s-60s-70s-80s-and 90s. He killed several people in the Clock tower at University of Texas.

Couldn't tell you the name of any of these whack jobs from the last 10-15 years.
He's gonna get a Wikipedia entry probably, close enough
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That's what's going to have to happen to keep kids safe at schools. Probably will need to have armed guards at businesses as well to keep everyone safe.


Already have armed guards at businesses, such as banks and jewelry stores. Are our kids less valuable than whats at those businesses.

Everyone wants to focus on the tool instead of the root cause of the problem. The tool is not the root cause.
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