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DJ's left nut · 03-07-2016, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Where the **** did I anoint him as a starter?

He on the other hand implied it with his "not a good football player" statement, and lack of consideration that he might possibly be the guy they feel is our nickel.

He's talking in absolutes. Not me. Learn to ****ing read.

Like I said - strong look.

You should totally double down on it.

staylor26 · 03-07-2016, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And you're going into the same posture you always go when someone disagrees with you: bitchy little school girl.

It's a good look - have fun with it.

You're the one that started attacking me man

Accusing me of making shit up, and starting an argument when I already said something that clearly agrees with your take that we can't just count on those guys. Lol Get the **** outta here.

All I said was that Nelson might be the guy. They drafted him to be that guy and he's played one season. Why is it so ridiculous of an opinion?

**BossChief** · 03-07-2016, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

if they go the old veteran route then give me Leon Hall

Or even Cromartie.

If they want to get a little younger, Amukamara or Powers wouldn't be terrible options.

**RealSNR** · 03-07-2016, 05:38 PM

I remember when Jalil Brown just needed time

DJ's left nut · 03-07-2016, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Or even Cromartie.

If they want to get a little younger, Amukamara or Powers wouldn't be terrible options.

I'm grudgingly considering Amukamara.

We could do worse. I guess.

Damn that's a step down, though.

One place he would help, though, is your worry regarding run defense. I've never been terribly impressed by Amukamara in coverage, but he seems more than willing to bring a hit when needed.

His physicality may serve him well in our press scheme, though he also has a fair amount of durability questions, does he not?

Ugh....we're gonna be worse out there. It's just a question of by how much. Damn I hate that. I hate a nagging feeling that we missed a wide-open window all because Bob Sutton is as dense as a ****ing hammer.

ModSocks · 03-07-2016, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

I remember when Jalil Brown just needed time

I remember when Marcus Cooper just needed time.

**BossChief** · 03-07-2016, 05:39 PM

And as far as the Nelson talk goes, I think it's way premature to say what he is going to be.

Dorsey/GB rarely missed on CBs and apart from injury, Dorsey has done pretty well identifying and drafting good corners in his time here.

I don't think it's crazy to say the guy can develop into a solid nickel guy.

staylor26 · 03-07-2016, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

I remember when Jalil Brown just needed time

I remember when Eric Fisher needed time.

It's works both ways, but let's pretend like we know the outcome when we don't.

staylor26 · 03-07-2016, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

And as far as the Nelson talk goes, I think it's way premature to say what he is going to be.

Dorsey/GB rarely missed on CBs and apart from injury, Dorsey has done pretty well identifying and drafting good corners in his time here.

I don't think it's crazy to say the guy can develop into a solid nickel guy.

Thank you Boss. This is all I'm trying to say.

RunKC · 03-07-2016, 05:42 PM

They liked Nelson bc of his lateral speed, footwork, attitude and showing at the Senior Bowl. The guy was awesome in the DB/WR drills.

I wouldn't get too hung up on Play time in a rookie season. I think he was a developmental player in the mold of Dee Ford. They didn't have any plans to play him as a rookie, just get his feet wet, and that's what you expect from a guy drafted just before the 4th Rd.

I think Nelson was drafted in the hopes of finally fixing the error at nickel back and depth which has been a big issue for this regime after failing with Dunta Robinson, Chris Owens and Jamel Fleming.

I expect to see more of him next year.

**BossChief** · 03-07-2016, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm grudgingly considering Amukamara.

We could do worse. I guess.

Damn that's a step down, though.

One place he would help, though, is your worry regarding run defense. I've never been terribly impressed by Amukamara in coverage, but he seems more than willing to bring a hit when needed.

His physicality may serve him well in our press scheme, though he also has a fair amount of durability questions, does he not?

Ugh....we're gonna be worse out there. It's just a question of by how much. Damn I hate that. I hate a nagging feeling that we missed a wide-open window all because Bob Sutton is as dense as a ****ing hammer.

We are absolutely going to take a step back in defensive talent, but maybe not as much as some think.

Dorsey found Sean Smith and I trust him to find the next Sean Smith.

I think we have some of the very best secondary coaches in the NFL...maybe they can take a guy with talent like Amukamara and make him the next SS.

Honestly, I think they can.

**RealSNR** · 03-07-2016, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I remember when Marcus Cooper just needed time.

Different situations.

Marcus Cooper made some very impressive plays for a stretch of 3-4 weeks in 2013 that were the keys to us winning games in that 9-0 stretch. Then teams figured him out.

Jalil Brown never was. We waited patiently, but he never blossomed into shit. He was the most disappointing CB we've drafted since Julian Battle.

Unless the unexpected happens, Nelson is on that same shitty path.

DJ's left nut · 03-07-2016, 05:45 PM

While I'm thinking about Amukamara, it dawned on me who Nelson kinda reminds me of.

Jayron Hosley. Now, Hosley's a ****up and has always been kind of a nitwit, but Hosley was one of those undersized, nominally athletic players that got by on 'grit' in college.

Those guys simply don't have a role in most modern NFL defenses, IMO.

What is it you see in Nelson, apart from the fact that the Chiefs drafted him, to suggest that he'll be good? Was it the average 40 time? Average 3-cone? Piss Poor deep shuttle, broad jump and vertical jumps? The small stature?

If the Chiefs hadn't drafted the guy, you wouldn't think twice about him. There's just not much there.

MIAdragon · 03-07-2016, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Where the **** did I anoint him as a starter?

He on the other hand implied it with his "not a good football player" statement, and lack of consideration that he might possibly be the guy they feel is our nickel.

He's talking in absolutes. Not me. Learn to ****ing read.

You're a winner, can't articulate with out expletives. Go play in the street.

staylor26 · 03-07-2016, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Different situations.

Marcus Cooper made some very impressive plays for a stretch of 3-4 weeks in 2013 that were the keys to us winning games in that 9-0 stretch. Then teams figured him out.

Jalil Brown never was. We waited patiently, but he never blossomed into shit. He was the most disappointing CB we've drafted since Julian Battle.

Unless the unexpected happens, Nelson is on that same shitty path.

Jalil Brown was a 5th round pick under Pioli.

Nelson was a 3rd round pick under Dorsey, who has shown the ability to identify talent at the CB position.

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03-07-2016, 05:39 PM	#142
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1954088	And as far as the Nelson talk goes, I think it's way premature to say what he is going to be. Dorsey/GB rarely missed on CBs and apart from injury, Dorsey has done pretty well identifying and drafting good corners in his time here. I don't think it's crazy to say the guy can develop into a solid nickel guy. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2339611	They liked Nelson bc of his lateral speed, footwork, attitude and showing at the Senior Bowl. The guy was awesome in the DB/WR drills. I wouldn't get too hung up on Play time in a rookie season. I think he was a developmental player in the mold of Dee Ford. They didn't have any plans to play him as a rookie, just get his feet wet, and that's what you expect from a guy drafted just before the 4th Rd. I think Nelson was drafted in the hopes of finally fixing the error at nickel back and depth which has been a big issue for this regime after failing with Dunta Robinson, Chris Owens and Jamel Fleming. I expect to see more of him next year.
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $3089099	While I'm thinking about Amukamara, it dawned on me who Nelson kinda reminds me of. Jayron Hosley. Now, Hosley's a ****up and has always been kind of a nitwit, but Hosley was one of those undersized, nominally athletic players that got by on 'grit' in college. Those guys simply don't have a role in most modern NFL defenses, IMO. What is it you see in Nelson, apart from the fact that the Chiefs drafted him, to suggest that he'll be good? Was it the average 40 time? Average 3-cone? Piss Poor deep shuttle, broad jump and vertical jumps? The small stature? If the Chiefs hadn't drafted the guy, you wouldn't think twice about him. There's just not much there. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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