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Trump firing Mueller would be 'the beginning of the end of his presidency'

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/18/polit...ntv/index.html

Graham: Trump firing Mueller would be 'the beginning of the end of his presidency'

(CNN)Sen. Lindsey Graham gave a stern warning Sunday to President Donald Trump against firing special counsel Robert Mueller.

"As I said before, if he tried to do that, that would be the beginning of the end of his presidency," the South Carolina Republican said on CNN's "State of the Union."

"The only reason that Mr. Mueller could be dismissed is for cause. I see no cause when it comes to Mr. Mueller," Graham said, later adding he believed the Mueller was "doing a good job."

Graham called for Mueller to be able to carry out his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election "independent of any political influence."

"I pledge to the American people, as a Republican, to make sure that Mr. Mueller can continue to do his job without any interference," he said.
Graham's defense of Mueller comes in the wake of the President's latest attacks suggesting partisan bias on the special counsel.

"Why does the Mueller team have 13 hardened Democrats, some big Crooked Hillary supporters, and Zero Republicans? Another Dem recently added ... does anyone think this is fair? And yet, there is NO COLLUSION!," Trump wrote on Twitter.

Trump's criticism of Mueller, a Republican, also came a day after his personal lawyer, John Dowd, called for an end to the special counsel's probe.

On Saturday, CNN learned that Mueller had interviewed former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and asked about the firing of FBI Director James Comey. McCabe was fired by Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Friday night after being long derided by the President.

Graham said on "State of the Union" that the Senate Judiciary Committee should hold a hearing on McCabe's firing to "make sure it was not politically motivated."

"I think we owe it to the average American to have a hearing in the Judiciary Committee, for Mr. Sessions, Attorney General Sessions, comes forward with whatever documentation he has about the firing and give Mr. McCabe a chance to defend himself," Graham said."I believe when it comes to this issue, we need as much transparency as possible, to make sure that it was not politically motivated.

Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont issued a similar call to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley on Saturday.
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:02 PM   #31
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Because Sessions has just proved himself a coward and Trump's cockholster, you mean....?
if that were true, he wouldnt have recused himself in the first place
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:03 PM   #32
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The point isn't what you or I think about it...but rather how the GOP pursued it, and is now being hypocritical about it...
No, actually, that is exactly the point. You're just trying to backpedal out of a failed attempt to call me a hypocrite.

And aren't you being a bit hypocritical now in supporting that which you thought was wrong when it happened to Clinton?
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Sessions did something Kotter doesn't like so sessions is a coward. Nevermind the IG and FBI both recommended that McCabe be fired and for things that look like perjury at that.

It's all about D v. R with Kotter.
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:08 PM   #34
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Sessions did something Kotter doesn't like so sessions is a coward. Nevermind the IG and FBI both recommended that McCabe be fired and for things that look like perjury at that.

It's all about D v. R with Kotter.
Exactly, Sessions may have had the final say... but the other entities are the ones that made the recommendation

But his team took a hit, so Kotter needs to rage at all the things
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:09 PM   #35
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Sessions did something Kotter doesn't like so sessions is a coward. Nevermind the IG and FBI both recommended that McCabe be fired and for things that look like perjury at that.

It's all about D v. R with Kotter.
It's pretty funny that Sessions fired someone for lack of candor.
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It's pretty funny that Sessions fired someone for lack of candor.
Well, that may be for another debate but he did it at the recommendation of others.
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Like pursuit of 'evidence' of a WH blowjob between consenting adults? As abhorrent as you or I find it....when was 'actual law' involved until Bill lied a very natural lie by a husband under a sham oath?




Because Sessions has just proved himself a coward and Trump's cockholster, you mean....?
Obviously not if Trump didn't want Sessions to recuse himself, but he still did anyway
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Obviously not if Trump didn't want Sessions to recuse himself, but he still did anyway
Well, he now understands where that put him....in Trump's doghouse; firing McCabe is a clear attempt to make amends...and be a good lapdog.
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Graham said on "State of the Union" that the Senate Judiciary Committee should hold a hearing on McCabe's firing to "make sure it was not politically motivated."

"I think we owe it to the average American to have a hearing in the Judiciary Committee, for Mr. Sessions, Attorney General Sessions, comes forward with whatever documentation he has about the firing and give Mr. McCabe a chance to defend himself," Graham said."I believe when it comes to this issue, we need as much transparency as possible, to make sure that it was not politically motivated.


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Graham said on "State of the Union" that the Senate Judiciary Committee should hold a hearing on McCabe's firing to "make sure it was not politically motivated."

"I think we owe it to the average American to have a hearing in the Judiciary Committee, for Mr. Sessions, Attorney General Sessions, comes forward with whatever documentation he has about the firing and give Mr. McCabe a chance to defend himself," Graham said."I believe when it comes to this issue, we need as much transparency as possible, to make sure that it was not politically motivated.


Yeah its definitely hilarious, just more typical Grahamnesty playing both sides of the fence... he wants a second special counsel, but now he feels the need to question this truly just firing

He has to be the biggest spineless assmunch in DC
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Well, he now understands where that put him....in Trump's doghouse; firing McCabe is a clear attempt to make amends...and be a good lapdog.
Firing Rosenstein and replacing him with someone more sypathetic to the cause would help a bit. But Sessions is still an evangelicon. I can't imagine he'll ever be in Trump's good graces
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Looks like Republican push-back would be significant.....



https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/18/polit...ntv/index.html

AshLee Strong, a spokeswoman for House Speaker Paul Ryan, issued a statement on Sunday when asked for a reaction to the President's attacks on the Mueller probe.

"As the Speaker has always said, Mr. Mueller and his team should be able to do their job," Strong said....

House Oversight Chairman Trey Gowdy, a South Carolina Republican, likewise vouched for Mueller and took issue with attacks on the probe from Dowd and Trump.

"I think the President's attorney frankly does him a disservice when he says that, and when he frames the investigation that way," Gowdy said on "Fox News Sunday."

He said later, "If you have an innocent client, Mr. Dowd, act like it."....

Pressed on the issue, Senator Ron Paul said he would not "advocate" for Trump to try to force Mueller out....

Marc Rubio: "I remain confident that the special counsel is going to conduct a probe that is fair and thorough and is going to arrive at the truth...."

"I don't see the President firing him," Sen. James Lankford said. "I think the White House has said 10 times, maybe more, that they're not going to fire Robert Mueller, they want him to be able to finish the investigation."


And that's just today....

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Yeah its definitely hilarious, just more typical Grahamnesty playing both sides of the fence... he wants a second special counsel, but now he feels the need to question this truly just firing

He has to be the biggest spineless assmunch in DC
If it's really just, the hearing will expose that....I don't trust FOX news accounts.
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There would not be any Republican pushback once it actually happened.
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Yeah its definitely hilarious, just more typical Grahamnesty playing both sides of the fence... he wants a second special counsel, but now he feels the need to question this truly just firing

He has to be the biggest spineless assmunch in DC
He isn't calling for a special counsel.

McCabe's firing certainly seems justified, yes. That doesn't mean it's exclusive of being possibly politically-motivated or pushed by Trump. He certainly seems pleased by his firing, doesn't he.
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There would not be any Republican pushback once it actually happened.
Eh, if you are right about that....then that would be when real shit will hit the fan; and a true Constitutional crisis will be at hand.

I think at that point Democrats in the Senate would effectively put a complete work stoppage in place....and really shut down things entirely.
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