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Old 09-18-2018, 09:12 AM  
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Keith Ellison domestic violence accuser says Democratic party doesn't believe her sto

Will Ellison get Frankened over this as a sacrifice to the Kavanaugh obstruction?

The woman who accused Minnesota Democratic Rep. Keith Ellison of domestic abuse said on Monday that Democrats don’t believe her story and threatened to isolate her over the allegations.

Karen Monahan, a former girlfriend, came forward last month alleging that Ellison sent her threatening text messages and once screamed obscenities at her as he dragged her off a bed by her feet.

Ellison has denied the accusations, saying he “never behaved this way.” He did acknowledge he was in a relationship with the woman.

The allegations didn’t lead to any immediate action against the congressman, except for the announcement that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) would review the accusations. He went on to win the Democratic primary election for Minnesota attorney general.

Monahan slammed the Democratic Party for its response to her allegations when compared to its treatment of Christine Blasey Ford. Ford has accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of attempting to force himself onto her during at a high school party nearly four decades ago, prompting prominent Democrats to get behind Ford’s allegations.

“No, they don't,” Monahan tweeted in response to a question whether the party believes women’s stories. “I've been smeared, threatened, isolated from my own party. I provided medical records from 2017, stating on two different Dr. Visits, I told them about the abuse and who did it. My therapist released records stating I have been dealing and healing from the abuse.”

She added: “Four people, including my supervisor at the time, stated that I came to them after and shared the exact story I shared publicly, I shared multiple text between me and Keith, where I discuss the abuse with him and much more. As I said before, I knew I wouldn't be believed.”

Her comment came after another user pointed to comments made by Peter Daou, a Democratic strategist and former advisor to Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, who wrote in a tweet that the Kavanaugh accuser will be “attacked, smeared, and demonized” and that people must “believe women.”

Many other Democrats and progressives – who stayed silent when the accusations against Ellison emerged – came out in support of Ford, including Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Tom Perez, chairman of the DNC, who urged to investigate the claims and Kavanaugh.

Monahan went to reiterate that her story has nothing to do with politics. “I have nothing to prove to anyone, I simply shared my story. People can believe it or not. I don’t need anyone to affirm my humanity, I affirmed it,” she wrote in another tweet.

“The fact that both parties only care if it scores political points is hypocritical,” she added. “Do you think a person who has dealt with any form of abuse by politicians is thinking about politics? No, we & are families are trying to heal.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...her-story.html
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Old 09-19-2018, 07:44 PM   #31
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What evidence is there in the Ford case? What eyewitness?
Well, gee, I don’t know. Wait! What about the victim!?!
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Old 09-19-2018, 07:50 PM   #32
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Old 09-19-2018, 07:54 PM   #33
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There is actual evidence in both cases.

Are you under the impression, for some bizarre reason that I cannot fathom, that eyewitness testimony is not "actual evidence"?
Eyewitness testimony from some hardcore prog academia fascist twat over an event that allegedly happened 35 years ago that she only saw fit to mention now?

Yeah, I've got some difficulty with that one.

And it's not like Kavanaugh is married to a powerful, vindictive bitch who has been doing everything in her power to suppress this story for decades. It's not like that at all.
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Old 09-19-2018, 08:01 PM   #34
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Threatened by who?
I'm guessing the same nameless people who are threatening Ford...If she says it, it must be true...
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Well, gee, I don’t know. Wait! What about the victim!?!
The "victim" that can't remember anything? She is not an eyewitness. And a former FBI Agent already told CNN that since she can't remember anything and the people she claims were there deny it, her credibility is immediately suspect.

Never mind the fact that the "victim" cannot be an eyewitness. I don't think you understand how this works.

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How much longer can this victim's plight be ignored by the Democratic party and the DNC?

Keith Ellison domestic violence accuser posts 2017 medical document identifying Democrat as abuser

The woman who accused U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., of domestic abuse released on Wednesday what appeared to be a medical document from 2017 detailing the abuse allegedly caused by the congressman.

Karen Monahan, an ex-girlfriend of Ellison, published the document on social media just days after saying the Democratic Party “smeared” her and threatened to isolate her over her allegations against the deputy of the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

A doctor wrote in the medical document that Monahan “states that she was in a very stressful environment for years, emotional and physical abuse by a partner with whom she is now separated.




“She identifies the individual she was involved with as Congressman Ellison, and she is worried about retribution if she identifies him publicly,” the document added.

The woman claims the document’s date – Nov. 28, 2017 – proves she discussed the abuse story long before she publicly voiced her accusations against the Democrat.

She came forward with her story last month, alleging that Ellison sent her threatening text messages and once screamed obscenities at her as he dragged her off a bed by her feet.

Ellison has denied all the accusations, saying he “never behaved this way.” He did acknowledge he was in a relationship with the woman.

Monahan previously said that she has a video of Ellison attacking her, but declined the requests to release the footage, saying it’s too traumatic.

The allegations didn’t lead to any immediate action against the congressman, except for the announcement that the DNC would review the accusations. He went on to win the Democratic primary election for Minnesota attorney general.

Earlier this week, Monahan said the Democratic Party doesn’t believe her allegations, even as it stood behind Christine Blasey Ford, who accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s accuser of sexual misconduct.

“No, they don't,” Monahan tweeted in response to a question whether the party believes women’s stories about misconduct. “I've been smeared, threatened, isolated from my own party. I provided medical records from 2017, stating on two different Dr. Visits, I told them about the abuse and who did it. My therapist released records stating I have been dealing and healing from the abuse.”

“Four people, including my supervisor at the time, stated that I came to them after and shared the exact story I shared publicly,” she added. “I shared multiple texts between me and Keith, where I discuss the abuse with him and much more. As I said before, I knew I wouldn't be believed.”

Monahan went on to reiterate that her story has nothing to do with politics. “I have nothing to prove to anyone, I simply shared my story. People can believe it or not. I don’t need anyone to affirm my humanity, I affirmed it,” she wrote in another tweet.

“The fact that both parties only care if it scores political points is hypocritical,” she added. “Do you think a person who has dealt with any form of abuse by politicians is thinking about politics? No, we & are families are trying to heal.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...as-abuser.html
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:56 AM   #37
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The "victim" that can't remember anything? She is not an eyewitness. And a former FBI Agent already told CNN that since she can't remember anything and the people she claims were there deny it, her credibility is immediately suspect.

Never mind the fact that the "victim" cannot be an eyewitness. I don't think you understand how this works.

sling some more shit against the wall...guilty until proven innocent, right?

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So, what, she had her eyes closed?
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:57 AM   #38
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So, what, she had her eyes closed?
She is not a "witness". JFC are you really this ****ing stupid? I even gave you the ****ing definition. A "victim" is not a "witness", you idiot.

However. I'd say they were since everything she has said thus has not been corroborated in any way.
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Just look at Giner whattbouting on an Ellison thread, so he won't have to address the actual topic. Just pathetic
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:07 AM   #40
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She is not a "witness". JFC are you really this ****ing stupid? I even gave you the ****ing definition. A "victim" is not a "witness", you idiot.

However. I'd say they were since everything she has said thus has not been corroborated in any way.
Look, Pete, if Kavanaugh was charged with a crime, do think she would not be able to testify as to what happened? Because only a witness can do that. If you caught someone breaking into your house, do you think you couldn’t testify about what you observed, because you would be a victim and not a witness?

You seem to have this notion that a victim can not also be a witness. You are mistaken.
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:09 AM   #41
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Just look at Giner whattbouting on an Ellison thread, so he won't have to address the actual topic. Just pathetic
Pete brought it up here, Little Bitch, not me.
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Look, Pete, if Kavanaugh was charged with a crime, do think she would not be able to testify as to what happened? Because only a witness can do that. If you caught someone breaking into your house, do you think you couldn’t testify about what you observed, because you would be a victim and not a witness?
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That doesn't maker her a "witness" you idiot. FFS go back and read what a witness is. A witness is someone other than the victim or defendant who can testify as to what happened.

JFC you cannot possibly be this ****ing dumb!


Once again, Pete, what determines whether an individual can testify is whether the individual is a witness. Just answer the question. Would you be able to testify?

If you believe that a victim cannot also be a witness, please provide a supporting link. FYI, I have represented many victims in my 24 year career, and they’ve all been witnesses as well.
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Did I say I don't believe her?

And I could be wrong, but I would guess is that she's talking about well known people.
What well known Democrats have taken her claims seriously?

Why is Keith Ellis' job obviously not any jeopardy over this?
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Once again, Pete, what determines whether an individual can testify is whether the individual is a witness. Just answer the question. Would you be able to testify?

If you believe that a victim cannot also be a witness, please provide a supporting link. FYI, I have represented many victims in my 24 year career, and they’ve all been witnesses as well.
Are subject matter experts always witnesses? Can they testify? I'll cede your argument on a technical basis.

And in this case, your "witness" has a real credibility issue right now.
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