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**The Franchise** · 10-28-2014, 08:52 AM

#Chiefs are 1st in Pass Defense at 195yds average per game.
— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) October 28, 2014

The #Chiefs Defense is: 3rd in Total Defense, 2nd Best in Points Allowed (128pts), 4th in Sacks at 24
— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) October 28, 2014

#Chiefs Defense has NOT allowed 300 against them: Locker 266, Manning 242, Tannehill 205, Brady 159, Kaepernick 201 Rivers 205, Davis 160
— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) October 28, 2014

jonzie04 · 10-30-2014, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Absolutely

I'll be really surprised if that happens. The Chiefs need to draft at least two WR's in the 2015 draft and even if they're able to sign one quality guy, like a Maclin or Randall Cobb or whomever, they'll still need Bowe's presence for one more season, IMO.

Now, if they're able to lure a superstar like a Dez Bryant or DeMaryius Thomas, that may change. But it's hard to imagine either of those guys leaving their respective teams.

I guess it could work keeping bowe for 1 more season with a 1 fa signing, though idk what the 16' FA class looks like. There are a ton of good wrs this year that may come out. I'd bet we could sign maclin, Welker, and anquan Boldin for pretty damn close to what bowe makes right now. And we could still draft some wr's to groom. And I have to think wed be much better off than bowe, maclin, and some draft picks.

Direckshun · 10-30-2014, 11:24 PM

Pretty crazy to think how blue-balled we were last offseason at the WR position. Not only does Emmanuel Sanders **** us up the ass, but Brandin Cooks went a pick or two before our selection.

There are going to be 3 or 4 high-impact WRs in this draft. The Chiefs NEED to pick the one they want, and go get him -- if that means trading up, they've almost certainly got the ammunition to do so.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-30-2014, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

I'd bet we could sign maclin, Welker, and anquan Boldin for pretty damn close to what bowe makes right now.

Dude, come on.

Welker's a concussion away from retirement. Maclin is a possibility but there's no guarantee he'll leave Philly and he's not a #1. And Boldin is under contract next year.

jonzie04 · 10-30-2014, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Pretty crazy to think how blue-balled we were last offseason at the WR position. Not only does Emmanuel Sanders **** us up the ass, but Brandin Cooks went a pick or two before our selection.

There are going to be 3 or 4 high-impact WRs in this draft. The Chiefs NEED to pick the one they want, and go get him -- if that means trading up, they've almost certainly got the ammunition to do so.

I saw a mock that had us trading up to 10 and taking Amari cooper. I think it was a chiefs website though lol

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-30-2014, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Pretty crazy to think how blue-balled we were last offseason at the WR position. Not only does Emmanuel Sanders **** us up the ass, but Brandin Cooks went a pick or two before our selection.

Dee Ford was the better long term selection.

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

There are going to be 3 or 4 high-impact WRs in this draft. The Chiefs NEED to pick the one they want, and go get him -- if that means trading up, they've almost certainly got the ammunition to do so.

DAT can be better than Cooks. He just needs to get acclimated to the offense. He missed a considerable amount of time and he's just now getting touches.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-30-2014, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

I saw a mock that had us trading up to 10 and taking Amari cooper. I think it was a chiefs website though lol

Trading up is foolish. Each and every year, productive wide receivers can be found throughout the draft.

jonzie04 · 10-30-2014, 11:45 PM

[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud;11072760]Dude, come on.

Welker's a concussion away from retirement. Maclin is a possibility but there's no guarantee he'll leave Philly and he's not a #1. And Boldin is under contract next year.[/QUOT

It was a purely hypothetical situation to show what could be had for the price of bowe, if you dont like the wr's specifically , that's fine..
But there are a lot of good guys coming out pick you're poison. AT LEAST 2 and 3 guys in most cases can be signed for the price of bowe. outside of dez, and demaryius.

Cobb, Torrey smith, Crabtree, maclin, kearse, britt...eddie royal, Kenny Britt etc...

Having a true number 1 in this offense isn't that important, because the ball gets spread around so much.

Having a competent wr corps, who all catch the ball, and are capable of making plays is a lot more important.

jonzie04 · 10-30-2014, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Trading up is foolish. Each and every year, productive wide receivers can be found throughout the draft.

Lol so, trading up to get megatron, aj green, or Julio Jones would have been foolish? Because productive wr's can be found in the later rounds? Right on.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-30-2014, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by danemccloud

Dude, come on.

Welker's a concussion away from retirement. Maclin is a possibility but there's no guarantee he'll leave Philly and he's not a #1. And Boldin is under contract next year.

It was a purely hypothetical situation to show what could be had for the price of bowe, if you dont like the wr's specially, that's fine..
But there are a lot of good guys coming out pick you're poison. AT LEAST 2 and 3 guys in most cases can be signed for the price of bowe. outside of dez, and demaryius.

Cobb, Torrey smith, Crabtree, maclin, kearse, britt...eddie royal, Kenny Britt etc...

Having a true number 1 in this offense isn't that important, because the ball gets spread around so much.

Having a competent wr corps, who all catch the ball, and are capable of making plays is a lot more important.[/quote]

You said Kenny Britt twice.

I can't see Crabtree getting out of San Fran, Britt, Royal and Smith are "JAG's" that won't really make an impact and I already mentioned Cobb and Maclin.

Again, i think it's going to take quite a bit for Cobb and Maclin to leave their respective teams because it leaves their teams in the lurch.

The Chiefs are likely stuck with Bowe in 2015, draft a few guys, sign a guy along with DAT. It's still possible that Albert Wilson makes a move and quite honestly, I like Hammond better than Hemingway or Jenkins.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-30-2014, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

Lol so, trading up to get megatron, aj green, or Julio Jones would have been foolish? Because productive wr's can be found in the later rounds? Right on.

Trading for Julio Jones has been a major factor in Atlanta's demise.

No team traded up for Johnson or Green and to date, neither of those teams have won a thing.

BlackOp · 10-30-2014, 11:50 PM

KC needs to go full on defense....the way Alex plays keep away. This is how KC gets to the SB...in it's current form...ILB and CB

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-30-2014, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

KC needs to go full on defense....the way Alex plays keep away. This is how KC gets to the SB...in it's current form...ILB and CB

There's no doubt they'll need to add another ILB (for depth, if anything else) and another CB, but I don't think they'll need to spend a 1st or 2nd on either position.

BlackOp · 10-30-2014, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There's no doubt they'll need to add another ILB (for depth, if anything else) and another CB, but I don't think they'll need to spend a 1st or 2nd on either position.

I'm not sure they need to draft a WR...as strange as that sounds...at least with a high pick. I'm looking at the big picture..and with how AS rolls...he would be lethal with a dominate defense.I would draft another stellar TE before a WR......

jonzie04 · 10-31-2014, 12:03 AM

[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud;11072790]

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

You said Kenny Britt twice.

I can't see Crabtree getting out of San Fran, Britt, Royal and Smith are "JAG's" that won't really make an impact and I already mentioned Cobb and Maclin.

Again, i think it's going to take quite a bit for Cobb and Maclin to leave their respective teams because it leaves their teams in the lurch.

The Chiefs are likely stuck with Bowe in 2015, draft a few guys, sign a guy along with DAT. It's still possible that Albert Wilson makes a move and quite honestly, I like Hammond better than Hemingway or Jenkins.

I apologize for saying Britts name twice. The 49ers have nearly 150m on the books next year, there is a good chance Crabtree is not going to be a 49er next year.

And basically what I'm gathering from you're post is that, there are only like 5 good wr's in the entire NFL. They all suck, and the packers, and eagles, have unlimited salary caps.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-31-2014, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

I apologize for saying Britts name twice. The 49ers have nearly 150m on the books next year, there is a good chance Crabtree is not going to be a 49er next year.

And basically what I'm gathering from you're post is that, there are only like 5 good wr's in the entire NFL. They all suck, and the packers, and eagles, have unlimited salary caps.

The cap went up $10 million this year to $130 million and is expected to hit $140 million, at minimum, next year. I've heard the estimates are at least $160 million for 2016.

So with that said, if teams want to keep guys like Crabtree, Maclin, Cobb, etc. they will.

I think you should peruse the WR free agency list for 2015. Outside of the guys previously listed, the pickings are slim.

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4423447	Pretty crazy to think how blue-balled we were last offseason at the WR position. Not only does Emmanuel Sanders **** us up the ass, but Brandin Cooks went a pick or two before our selection. There are going to be 3 or 4 high-impact WRs in this draft. The Chiefs NEED to pick the one they want, and go get him -- if that means trading up, they've almost certainly got the ammunition to do so.
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10-30-2014, 11:45 PM	#172
jonzie04 MVP Join Date: Feb 2014 Casino cash: $5826817	[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud;11072760]Dude, come on. Welker's a concussion away from retirement. Maclin is a possibility but there's no guarantee he'll leave Philly and he's not a #1. And Boldin is under contract next year.[/QUOT It was a purely hypothetical situation to show what could be had for the price of bowe, if you dont like the wr's specifically , that's fine.. But there are a lot of good guys coming out pick you're poison. AT LEAST 2 and 3 guys in most cases can be signed for the price of bowe. outside of dez, and demaryius. Cobb, Torrey smith, Crabtree, maclin, kearse, britt...eddie royal, Kenny Britt etc... Having a true number 1 in this offense isn't that important, because the ball gets spread around so much. Having a competent wr corps, who all catch the ball, and are capable of making plays is a lot more important.
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BlackOp MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $5875267	KC needs to go full on defense....the way Alex plays keep away. This is how KC gets to the SB...in it's current form...ILB and CB
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