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**DaFace** · 09:37 AM

Marcellus's thread was clearly a lot of attention whoring, but when it comes down to it, he has a point. The word "true fan" has become a catch-all for anyone who doesn't agree with a person on here about XXX player or XXX move that the Chiefs have made.

The issue I have with it is that it's increasingly become a straw man insult that doesn't even make sense. Discussion around here lately reminds me of discussions in D.C. where every issue has to be black and white and anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. The reality is that there are opinions all over the spectrum and that nothing is ever black and white. I'd think there are at least five different categories of Chiefs fans these days:

1 - True "homers" who will cheer for the team and applaud every move they make unconditionally. These types almost don't even exist on ChiefsPlanet (though people like to act like they do). These are only a small portion of the Chiefs fanbase, and they look like this.

2 - Optimists who will always cheer for the Chiefs, but have a sense of realism about it. They probably cheered Cassel for the first few years, but reluctantly joined the SOC bandwagon last year when it was clear that there was just no hope in saving the team under Cassel.

3 - Fans who try to keep a balanced approach. They don't get too excited about drafting a RT at #1 or trading for Alex Smith, but they believe that it's likely the team will at least be improved this year if not dramatically so. Their approach is a "wait and see" reaction, though they'll be quick to criticize if things don't work out.

4 - Pessimists who are skeptical that the Chiefs are going to be competitive any time soon, but who do try and give the team some benefit of the doubt under the new leadership. They're probably not happy about Alex Smith being our QB, but are grudgingly willing to see what he can do.

5 - Total naysayers who have had it with the team for the past 40 years and will refuse to be optimistic until the Chiefs find some real success (playoff wins at a minimum, and Super Bowl contention ideally). They believe that the front office should be constantly scrutinized given that their predecessors were given a long leash and screwed it all up.

Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to see where people would put themselves on the spectrum. It seems like most threads these days are battles between 5's and 1's, but I'd bet that those types are actually pretty rare around here. My dream would be that we can one day have discussions that are dominated by 2's, 3's, and 4's, but who knows if that can ever happen until the Chiefs start showing success.

Discus.

Hammock Parties · 08-06-2013, 03:29 PM

So 10 wins is the Chiefs FLOOR.

But 11 wins is the Broncos CEILING.

Dane has gone full reerun this offseason. Making last offseason look like he was a pessimist.

BigCatDaddy · 08-06-2013, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

So 10 wins is the Chiefs FLOOR.

But 11 wins is the Broncos CEILING.

Dane has gone full reerun this offseason. Making last offseason look like he was a pessimist.

And Chase Daniel is a franchise QB in waiting.

Hammock Parties · 08-06-2013, 03:42 PM

What is the Chiefs ceiling?

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-06-2013, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

So 10 wins is the Chiefs FLOOR.

But 11 wins is the Broncos CEILING.

Dane has gone full reerun this offseason. Making last offseason look like he was a pessimist.

The mere fact that your stupid ass disagrees is proof enough for me.

Thanks.

And I've reapetedly said it SHOULD BE their floor. You don't give up two second round picks to aspire to 7-9.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-06-2013, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

And Chase Daniel is a franchise QB in waiting.

**** off, Douche. I never said that, asswipe.

Some of you people are so ****ing clueless that you can't take part in a rational discussion.

Hammock Parties · 08-06-2013, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The mere fact that your stupid ass disagrees is proof enough for me.

Thanks.

And I've reapetedly said it SHOULD BE their floor. You don't give up two second round picks to aspire to 7-9.

You're basically saying it's possible the Chiefs win more games than Denver this year.

Squirrels are eating your brain.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-06-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

You're basically saying it's possible the Chiefs win more games than Denver this year.

Squirrels are eating your brain.

And you continue to prove that you're clueless about the NFL.

Your obsession with QB's, while overlooking the rest of the football team, is humorous and sad at the same time.

Hammock Parties · 08-06-2013, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And you continue to prove that you're clueless about the NFL.

Your obsession with QB's, while overlooking the rest of the football team, is humorous and sad at the same time.

You didn't let us know what the Chiefs "ceiling" is.

13 wins? 14 wins?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-06-2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Tracy Porter was benched most of the season. Harris was the #2 and moved inside in the nickel. Unless DRC beats him out, we'll repeat that. Also, Miller has not been suspended yet.

Why do you doubt that Manning can throw with authority?

Porter was also the only semi-starter you lost. I know he had an issue with seizures and missed most of the season. Thus, I was comparing the loss of Porter to the addition of DRC.

I doubt the second one because his arm seemed to lose some serious velocity in the last few games of the season, especially in the playoffs. I don't see how that improves, nor do I think that injury lets him throw the ball with the velocity he once did, and to be honest, he never had an overpowering arm or threw a super tight spiral.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-06-2013, 03:50 PM

The Broncos need to hope that Manning is Montana '93 not Montana '94. Or Favre '09 instead of Favre '10. I just think that is a lot of ask.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-06-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

You didn't let us know what the Chiefs "ceiling" is.

13 wins? 14 wins?

Go **** yourself.

Why don't you tell us all that the Broncos are going to beat the Giants, Colts, Texans, Cowboys, Ravens and Redskins.

Hammock Parties · 08-06-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Go **** yourself.

Why don't you tell us all that the Broncos are going to beat the Giants, Colts, Texans, Cowboys, Ravens and Redskins.

While I think the Broncos won't be quite as good as they were last year, to suggest their ceiling is 11 wins, like they could finish 9-7 or something, is hilarious.

Please tell us what the Chiefs ceiling is. I want to hear this. Your predictions have been hilarious the last two offseasons.

MagicHef · 08-06-2013, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Porter was also the only semi-starter you lost. I know he had an issue with seizures and missed most of the season. Thus, I was comparing the loss of Porter to the addition of DRC.

I doubt the second one because his arm seemed to lose some serious velocity in the last few games of the season, especially in the playoffs. I don't see how that improves, nor do I think that injury lets him throw the ball with the velocity he once did, and to be honest, he never had an overpowering arm or threw a super tight spiral.

Yeah, I wasn't saying you were wrong about Porter, just clarifying that he was never really an important part of the defense.

I agree that velocity and perfect spirals have never been part of his success, so I'm not really sure why the possibility of losing some of those aspects would mean he couldn't be dominant again. Obviously training camp reports should be taken with a grain of salt, but apparently Manning looks like he's in better shape and is throwing better than he was last year at this point.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-06-2013, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

While I think the Broncos won't be quite as good as they were last year, to suggest their ceiling is 11 wins, like they could finish 9-7 or something, is hilarious.

Please tell us what the Chiefs ceiling is. I want to hear this. Your predictions have been hilarious the last two offseasons.

Go **** yourself. You continue to act like a dickless moron and I'll treat you as such.

Hammock Parties · 08-06-2013, 04:08 PM

Reports from training camp are that Manning's arm strength is better than it was last year. I think Denver will win 12 or 13 games, easily, and sweep the Chiefs.

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His arm strength is improved - significantly so. The distance in arm strength between Manning and Brock last year was pretty large. This year Manning is closer.

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Peyton Manning- His arm is stronger this season. No doubt about it.

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2 - Optimist	85	29.62%
3 - Balanced	116	40.42%
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05-03-2013, 09:30 AM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $2116899	Let's talk about "true fans" Marcellus's thread was clearly a lot of attention whoring, but when it comes down to it, he has a point. The word "true fan" has become a catch-all for anyone who doesn't agree with a person on here about XXX player or XXX move that the Chiefs have made. The issue I have with it is that it's increasingly become a straw man insult that doesn't even make sense. Discussion around here lately reminds me of discussions in D.C. where every issue has to be black and white and anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. The reality is that there are opinions all over the spectrum and that nothing is ever black and white. I'd think there are at least five different categories of Chiefs fans these days: 1 - True "homers" who will cheer for the team and applaud every move they make unconditionally. These types almost don't even exist on ChiefsPlanet (though people like to act like they do). These are only a small portion of the Chiefs fanbase, and they look like this. 2 - Optimists who will always cheer for the Chiefs, but have a sense of realism about it. They probably cheered Cassel for the first few years, but reluctantly joined the SOC bandwagon last year when it was clear that there was just no hope in saving the team under Cassel. 3 - Fans who try to keep a balanced approach. They don't get too excited about drafting a RT at #1 or trading for Alex Smith, but they believe that it's likely the team will at least be improved this year if not dramatically so. Their approach is a "wait and see" reaction, though they'll be quick to criticize if things don't work out. 4 - Pessimists who are skeptical that the Chiefs are going to be competitive any time soon, but who do try and give the team some benefit of the doubt under the new leadership. They're probably not happy about Alex Smith being our QB, but are grudgingly willing to see what he can do. 5 - Total naysayers who have had it with the team for the past 40 years and will refuse to be optimistic until the Chiefs find some real success (playoff wins at a minimum, and Super Bowl contention ideally). They believe that the front office should be constantly scrutinized given that their predecessors were given a long leash and screwed it all up. Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to see where people would put themselves on the spectrum. It seems like most threads these days are battles between 5's and 1's, but I'd bet that those types are actually pretty rare around here. My dream would be that we can one day have discussions that are dominated by 2's, 3's, and 4's, but who knows if that can ever happen until the Chiefs start showing success. Discus. Last edited by DaFace; 05-03-2013 at 09:37 AM..
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4800478	So 10 wins is the Chiefs FLOOR. But 11 wins is the Broncos CEILING. Dane has gone full reerun this offseason. Making last offseason look like he was a pessimist. __________________ Chiefs game films
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8019572	The Broncos need to hope that Manning is Montana '93 not Montana '94. Or Favre '09 instead of Favre '10. I just think that is a lot of ask. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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