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Old 06-21-2015, 11:57 AM  
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Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18





Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson?

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Old 06-21-2015, 03:02 PM   #46
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With Wilson's contract for certain.

Luck's team enjoys the same advantage, albeit at a lesser degree.

And for all the talk about Wilson's defense, that Colt defense usually plays pretty well in big games (cue people bringing up their playoff game against the Chiefs).
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Old 06-21-2015, 03:13 PM   #47
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Of course, no one knows until he's called to do it consistently.

The fact that they don't ask him to throw the ball 30+ times per game should be obvious. They have the best defense in the league. Like I said, even with Aaron Rodgers at QB they wouldn't be slinging the rock 30+ times per game. It'd be an unnecessary risk.
With that defense though, it's not unnecessary. It's the same argument people have here (OTWP for certain iirc) with Alex smith.
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Old 06-21-2015, 03:21 PM   #48
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With that defense though, it's not unnecessary. It's the same argument people have here (OTWP for certain iirc) with Alex smith.

I agree that a great defense affords you the opportunity to take some risks.

But for one, head coaches in the NFL are pussies, and two, it would be inexcusable to throw the ball 40+ times per game with that Seahawk's defense.

I don't think guys like OTWP are pining for a QB to throw the ball a ton so much as they're asking for our QB to be more aggressive with the opportunities he's given. Russell Wilson has a great balance of aggression and risk aversion.
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Old 06-21-2015, 03:26 PM   #49
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I agree that a great defense affords you the opportunity to take some risks.

But for one, head coaches in the NFL are pussies, and two, it would be inexcusable to throw the ball 40+ times per game with that Seahawk's defense.

I don't think guys like OTWP are pining for a QB to throw the ball a ton so much as they're asking for our QB to be more aggressive with the opportunities he's given. Russell Wilson has a great balance of aggression and risk aversion.
Inexcusable why? If the defense is that good, and Wilson could do it with the efficiency/results of Rodgers or luck, what's the problem?
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Old 06-21-2015, 03:32 PM   #50
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And how much of that is based on Wilson's abilities? You can admit that he's got a more accurate deep ball that he's also more willing to throw? You can also likely admit that he's faster, more agile and better at extending plays in/around the pocket?

If you gave Alex Smith their Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse and Luke Willson do you honestly think we'd be any better off? IMO, those guys aren't a marked improvement over Bowe, Wilson/Avery and Kelce.

The offensive line would be an improvement but most here can agree that Alex eats far too many sacks. He had a top 5 (possibly the best) offensive line in 2011 and still ate a shit ton of sacks. We'd still be looking to replace a lot of guys if we had the Hawks line.
Russell gets plenty of airtime, we've all seen his abilities multiple times... yes, better touch on the deep ball, he's no faster but IS more athletic on the move AND is much better able/willing? to throw on the move.

But my point remains that he's not sooo head and shoulders above Smith that he deserves or is worth two 1st's, and maybe never will be... he has some limitations of his own.

2014 Smith - 18 td 6 int

2014 Wilson - 20 td 7 int

See what I'm saying? they're not REMARKABLY different, even if we go ahead and say that their receivers and tight ends combined we're basically a push.

For two firsts I want a REMARKABLE difference.

Would I take him over Smith?

Yes.

Would I take him over Smith for two firsts?

No.
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Old 06-21-2015, 03:36 PM   #51
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I think it's close. Any QB with a career rating over 95 is worth a lot, especially a young one. If you drafted him in the 1st round you'd be happy. But I can't shake the feeling that his rating is due in part to playing on a team that's strong and often playing with a lead. If he had gone to a bad team I'm not sure that he'd be so well regarded. I answered no, but I think he's worth more than a single 1st.
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Old 06-21-2015, 03:37 PM   #52
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Wow! Eight people would do it! I wonder what those same people feel about the 2 2nds for Smith? Seattle is winning in spite of him. Not because of him. No way you give up 2 firsts for Wilson. Not on your life!
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Old 06-21-2015, 03:41 PM   #53
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Inexcusable why? If the defense is that good, and Wilson could do it with the efficiency/results of Rodgers or luck, what's the problem?

Because airing it out is far riskier than handing it off. Risking batted passes, tipped passes, interceptions, incompletions, clock stoppage, sack, sack/strip, QB injury, etc. all for what? To possibly blow your opponent out by three TDs instead of a comfortable 10 point win?

The running game is far friendlier to a defense than the passing game.
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Old 06-21-2015, 03:43 PM   #54
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Wow! Eight people would do it! I wonder what those same people feel about the 2 2nds for Smith? Seattle is winning in spite of him. Not because of him. No way you give up 2 firsts for Wilson. Not on your life!
Wilson helps his team more than Smith by a long way. Wilson throws to a tune of nearly 8 YPA and has NEVER had a season with less than 20 TDs. Alex throws for <7 YPA and has 1 season with 20 TDs. Last year, Wilson ran for 25% of the yards Alex threw for.
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Because airing it out is far riskier than handing it off. Risking batted passes, tipped passes, interceptions, incompletions, clock stoppage, sack, sack/strip, QB injury, etc. all for what? To possibly blow your opponent out by three TDs instead of a comfortable 10 point win?

The running game is far friendlier to a defense than the passing game.
It also carries far more reward. More points, quicker points, bigger plays etc.

More reward for more points would equal more wins.
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I can plug in just about any starting # 1 NFL QB and Seattle wins with the weapons and D they have so for the sake of not arguing lets leave all backups & or # 2 QB's out of this discussion.

The answer to my the question ? No! Just too much of a price to pay and not have a complete team around him or leaving yourself strapped with no cash to play your current players since Wilson has it all tied up.
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Would I take him over Smith for two firsts?

No.


You're so stupid.

The Chiefs need a R1 QB anyway, so why not spend an extra first for a guy who is:

1. Proven.

2. Can actually throw the ball down the field.

3. Is far younger than Smith.
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I can plug in just about any starting # 1 NFL QB and Seattle wins with the weapons and D they have so for the sake of not arguing lets leave all backups & or # 2 QB's out of this discussion.

The answer to my the question ? No! Just too much of a price to pay and not have a complete team around him or leaving yourself strapped with no cash to play your current players since Wilson has it all tied up.
No, you can't.

Wilson doesn't put up big numbers, but he makes big plays when the situation demands it more than just about any QB in the league today.

The only QB in the NFL today who is equal to or better at making plays when protection breaks down is Aaron Rodgers.

This ****ing ridiculous idea that "any" QB would win as much, is just a myth.
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No, we do not have the finances for it. We are already paying too much for gone players. Then add Alex and couple other guys to make it work would gut the team for a few years unless we landed every 2nd round pick into a probowl starter on offense..

Sadly we are stuck with this team for 2-3 more years.. I will give you some insight, it will look like last years..


If we did not give Alex the contract then yes.
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...they're asking for our QB to be more aggressive with the opportunities he's given. Russell Wilson has a great balance of aggression and risk aversion.
Wouldn't argue with a single word of that, that's why in a gimme scenario I'm taking Wilson every single time... but not for two firsts.

He's just not THAT much better, two firsts is deadly serious stuff... just look at Ditka giving away the farm for Williams... awesome back, but worth all of that?

****.

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