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Old 12-10-2017, 07:24 PM  
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The attacks on Mueller push us closer to the precipice

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The attacks on Mueller push us closer to the precipice

Our democratic republic is in far more danger than it was even a few weeks ago.

Until this point, there was an underlying faith in much of the political world that if Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of Russian collusion in the election turned up unmistakably damning material about Donald Trump, Republicans in Congress would feel obligated by their commitment to the country’s well-being to accept Mueller’s findings and challenge the president.

We would often hear recollections of how Republicans during Watergate — Sen. Barry Goldwater would inevitably come up — decided that the smoking guns were too smoky and that Richard Nixon had to go. They made clear to him that he no longer had the support of his party.

Surely, said the optimists, we have not drifted so far from decency that this sort of patriotism is beyond us.

Well, it sure seems to be. It’s not surprising that Trump and those on his payroll want to protect him at all costs. But we learned last week that Republicans are deepening their complicity in derailing Mueller’s investigation and burying the facts. The more Mueller imperils Trump, the more McCarthyite the GOP becomes.

The apotheosis of Republican congressional collusion with Trump’s efforts to hang on at all costs came at a hearing of the House Judiciary Committee. One Republican after another attacked Mueller and the Federal Bureau of Investigation as if the latter should be placed on a new compendium of subversive organizations.

The occasion was testimony before the committee by Christopher A. Wray, the Trump-appointed FBI director. It was heartening to see Wray stand up for his colleagues, which made you wonder if Wray may soon go the way of his predecessor, James B. Comey.

Deserving an Academy Award for the most striking imitation of a member of the old House Un-American Activities Committee was Rep. Louie Gohmert. The hard-right Texas Republican went through a roll call of investigators, name by name, asking Wray if each had shown political bias. Wray defended every one of them he knew and wryly smiled when he was unfamiliar with one of the five names on Gohmert’s hit list.

Gohmert might as well have echoed the favored question of the congressional inquisitors of the early ’40s and ’50s: “Are they now or have they ever been . . . supporters of Hillary Clinton?” When Republicans are FBI haters who are sidetracking probes into Russian subversion, the world truly is turned upside down.

Note also the statement of Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) that if every member of Mueller’s team who was “anti-Trump” were kicked off, “I don’t know if there’d be anyone left.” The implication is that even if Mueller’s investigation produced unassailable evidence of wrongdoing by Trump, we should ignore the truth, because Mueller’s team should have been vetted to exclude anyone who had a smidgen of doubt about the president.

The rationale for this GOP assault is that Peter Strzok, an FBI agent involved in the investigation, exchanged texts critical of Trump and favorable to Clinton with an FBI lawyer. Somehow, Mueller got no props for removing Strzok from the investigation this summer.

But even if Strzok played some role in developing material that ultimately hurts Trump or proves Russian collusion, are Americans supposed to brainwash themselves? Trump’s allies want us to say: Too bad the president lied or broke the law, or that Russia tried to tilt our election. This FBI guy sending anti-Trump texts is far more important, so let’s just forget the whole thing.

Really?

Because we are inured to extreme partisanship and to the political right’s habit of rejecting inconvenient facts, we risk overlooking the profound political crisis that a Trumpified Republican Party could create. And the conflagration may come sooner rather than later, as Mueller zeroes in on Trump and his inner circle.

Only recently, it was widely assumed that if Trump fired Mueller, many Republicans would rise up to defend our institutions. Now, many in the party are laying the groundwork for justifying a coverup. This is a recipe for lawlessness.

We also assumed that Mueller’s findings would be respected because of his deserved reputation for fairness and independence. Just last May, Newt Gingrich called him a “superb choice to be special counsel” and praised his “honesty and integrity.” Now, pro-Trump politicians feel free to contradict anything they said in the past and to dismiss what they once saw as legitimate authority if those who hold it threaten their power. This is a recipe for autocracy.

Trump himself told us plainly on Friday night in Pensacola, Fla., that he will do whatever it takes to hold power, and he should be taken seriously. “There are powerful forces in Washington trying to sabotage our movement,” he declared. “These are bad people, these are very, very bad and evil people. . . . But you know what, we’re stopping them. You’re seeing that right now.”

We are far closer to the edge than we want to think.
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Old 12-11-2017, 09:10 AM   #61
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It's hard to have confidence in the law enforcement elite in the country after the way they let Hillary walk despite her obvious guilt. That kind of corruption doesn't go unnoticed.
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Old 12-11-2017, 09:14 AM   #62
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Dang Donger... Is Rhees or Weissmann gone, to name two. I can keep going...
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Old 12-11-2017, 09:17 AM   #63
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It's hard to have confidence in the law enforcement elite in the country after the way they let Hillary walk despite her obvious guilt. That kind of corruption doesn't go unnoticed.
Goes unnoticed if you are incapable of admitting everything you believed was a lie and you were to gullible to see it and your name is Donger
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Old 12-11-2017, 09:18 AM   #64
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Dang Donger... Is Rhees or Weissmann gone, to name two. I can keep going...
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Old 12-11-2017, 09:19 AM   #65
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It's hard to have confidence in the law enforcement elite in the country after the way they let Hillary walk despite her obvious guilt. That kind of corruption doesn't go unnoticed.
So, you think that FBI determined that charges against Clinton could and should be supported, and they intentionally let her walk?
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So, you think that FBI determined that charges against Clinton could and should be supported, and they intentionally let her walk?
I think the FBI developed a relatively strong, prosecutable case against Hillary (despite working hard to avoid collecting and preserving evidence) and then announced that they weren't going to recommend prosecution. I assume they "determined" well before their investigation was concluded that their political bosses all the way to the top weren't going to support a prosecution (possibly because many of them were guilty of some of the same behaviors) so they wouldn't either.
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So, you think that FBI determined that charges against Clinton could and should be supported, and they intentionally let her walk?
How the hell could anyone come to any other conclusion knowing what we all know about it all?

Seriously Donger.
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Old 12-11-2017, 09:30 AM   #68
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I think the FBI developed a relatively strong, prosecutable case against Hillary (despite working hard to avoid collecting and preserving evidence) and then announced that they weren't going to recommend prosecution. I assume they "determined" well before their investigation was concluded that their political bosses all the way to the top weren't going to support a prosecution (possibly because many of them were guilty of some of the same behaviors) so they wouldn't either.
You stated she was obviously guilty. If you know that, FBI certainly did, too. Therefore, they let her walk. Yes?
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How the hell could anyone come to any other conclusion knowing what we all know about it all?

Seriously Donger.
You could read Comey's statement on the matter, I suppose.
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You could read Comey's statement on the matter, I suppose.


You are so sold into Comey and Mueller and their partisan bullshit its hilarious.
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You are so sold into Comey and Mueller and their partisan bullshit its hilarious.
They are both Republicans. Well, Comey apparently became non-affiliated recently. Anyway, I have no reason to suspect either of them of anything but good law enforcement officers, present or past. I'm not very susceptible to propaganda to the contrary. I see that others are.
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LOL, Muller is a Bush appointee, a long-time Republicans supporter and Comey single-handedly torpedoed Hillary's campaign and somehow they aren't pro-Republican enough.
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You are so sold into Comey and Mueller and their partisan bullshit its hilarious.
Really do not think Comey and Mueller are all that partisan. Personally, I think they both are all about their power and powerful connections and how to enhance that power.

Comey let Hillary off thinking she was going to be President and O pretty much told the press this is how he wanted the investigation to go down. Comey really was a good soldier with Trump, ie admitting Trump was not under investigation etc, not even telling Trump he was out of line. All he did was make some Memo's he kept to himself to protect his own power and job. Once Trump kicked him to the curb, he then makes sure there is a special prosecutor and some how his good buddy is that prosecutor.
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Yes, name more, or Yes they are gone? They are not gone.

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LOL, Muller is a Bush appointee, a long-time Republicans supporter and Comey single-handedly torpedoed Hillary's campaign and somehow they aren't pro-Republican enough.
He was forced to address Weiners email as he had testified in front of congress that he would, and was also getting pressure from agents to do so... However, do you know who cleared all those emails in record time as insignificant... Strzok... Please... catch up...
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