NFL Draft Tamba Hali? MOTHER F*** you CARL!! - Page 26

**banyon** · 04-29-2006, 01:32 PM

If you like Hali fine.

But this was 10 picks too high to take this dude.

TheGuardian · 12-02-2010, 04:08 PM

Both of you guys are right.

Ryans is a really good player. Along with DJ inside that'd be scary.

But he has played on shit defenses. Not really his fault. It's like saying our pass rush sucks because of Tamba.

Tamba and Ryan are two different players. If we get Tamba some helps so that he's literally not being triple teamed half the time next season he might end up being the best outside 3-4 backer in the NFL.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-02-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

so you'd rather have DeMeco over Hali?

and if so...

Is it really that much of a difference at this point?

That's pretty much revisionist history and is a tough call.

If the Chiefs had a healthy Ryans and DJ inside all of these years, I'd imagine they have been much tougher against the run. Hali had down years in 2007 & 2008, so I'd imagine the defense those years would have been improved.

If the Chiefs had Ryans and DJ in 2009, the Chiefs wouldn't have traded for Vrabel but they'd be hurting even worse than they are now at the outside linebacking position, which probably would have forced them to use a #1 or #2 on a pass rushing OLB (at least one) in 2009 & 2010.

It's all speculation but the Chiefs could have Orapko/Cushing/Matthews, Ryans, DJ and another OLB instead of Hali/DJ/Belcher/Vrabel.

The bottom line is that Ryans has been as productive or more productive as Hali since the 2006 draft so if Ryans had been the choice, the Chiefs wouldn't be in a worse position than they are now, which basically means they need an upgrade at the linebacking position.

Again, it's all speculation.

**Saul Good** · 12-02-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullshit.

The guys never missed a game until this season.

He had 54 tackles and a sack through six games this season.

Doesn't is hurt to continually talk out of your ass?

He's an excellent player, but I wouldn't trade him for Hali straight up.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-02-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, please.

Hali's been a solid player this year for the Chiefs but he took a step back in both 2007 and 2008. He played better in 2009 and has grown into the position but Ryans is a Pro Bowler that routinely registers more than 110 tackles per year and had 155 his rookie year.

Ryans and DJ in the middle would have been devastatingly awesome.

If I had to choose between him and Hali, I choose Hali.

Chieftain58 · 12-02-2010, 04:19 PM

Now I see how those threads can come back and bite you in the ass!

Hootie · 12-02-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Again, it's all speculation.

Yeah...

That was ridiculous.

Uh...

If the Chiefs fired Herm, hired Rex, brought in Bart and drafted Sanchez we'd be the Jets!

crazycoffey · 12-02-2010, 04:23 PM

where's the thread/posts about Hali never making the transition to OLB,

....

ArrowheadHawk · 12-02-2010, 04:23 PM

Cool thread.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-02-2010, 04:23 PM

Belcher has 62 tackles, Ryans has 54.

Sfeihc · 12-02-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Tamba and Ryan are two different players. If we get Tamba some helps so that he's literally not being triple teamed half the time next season he might end up being the best outside 3-4 backer in the NFL.

This. Back the **** up off of Tamba.

Jenson71 · 12-02-2010, 04:28 PM

Hali has done okay, but we still took him way too high.

TheGuardian · 12-02-2010, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

Hali has done okay, but we still took him way too high.

**The Franchise** · 12-02-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD

Belcher has 62 tackles, Ryans has 54.

You do realize that Ryans is out for the season right?

**The Franchise** · 12-02-2010, 04:31 PM

Ryans in 6 games had 54 tackles.

In those first 6 games.....Belcher had 26.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-02-2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

You do realize that Ryans is out for the season right?

I saw that after I posted.

Regardless, I wouldnt take him over Hali.

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