***Official Gruden QB Camp Thread***

[Mr_Tomahawk]

I will updated the OP with the clips once they are posted in this thread.


http://espnmediazone.com/us/files/20...V-schedule.pdf

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

I just find it astounding that there are actually some Chiefs fans who are rooting for the Chiefs to draft an offensive lineman, and they can't wait to taunt the fans who want the Chiefs to draft Geno Smith.

I can understand Cockmon, the Jags fan. He's just a troll who apparently likes to stir up shit. He doesn't really count.

I hope like hell the Chiefs draft Geno Smith. I'll survive if they don't, but I truly don't understand why guys like RunKC plan to celebrate if they draft a ****ing offensive lineman or another ****ing defensive lineman. It makes no sense. I know, the Geno fans may get a little overzealous at times, but come on.

Guys like RunKC have taken a lot of shit from the most militant Geno fans around here. I doubt that people like that have any interest in taunting people like you. But I can certainly understand why they might have an interest in rubbing it in a little in other cases as a form of payback. I don't think it's that hard to understand, really. But then, I don't think it's that hard to understand why drafting a LT could be the best way for the Chiefs to improve their team over the long run.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by patteeu

But then, I don't think it's that hard to understand why drafting a LT could be the best way for the Chiefs to improve their team over the long run.

Really?





And how many playoff wins and Super Bowls did two of the best offensive tackles in the history of the NFL win exactly?

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Dr. Gigglepants

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...0627--nfl.html

Geno Smith shows game intelligence, offensive complexity in ‘Gruden’s QB Camp’ episode

By Doug Farrar | Shutdown Corner – 21 hours ago
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So, we're all familiar with the scouting report from Pro Football Weekly's Nolan Nawrocki, in which West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith is said to be "a gimmick, overhyped product of the system lacking the football savvy, work habits and focus to cement a starting job," who "could drain energy from a QB room." If you're not, you can read more about it, and the responses of those who know Smith, here. Safe to say that none of the people who have actually talked and worked with the man thought to be the consensus number-one quarterback in the upcoming NFL draft would agree with Nawrocki's slam-job.

Smith recently put himself under the microscope of a more experienced and respected evaluator when he agreed to participate in "Gruden's QB Camp," the show in which former NFL head coach and current ESPN analyst Jon Gruden goes one-on-one with draft prospects. It's a fascinating series, because you get to see Gruden ask a lot of the same types of questions you might see if you were in a team interview -- especially when the player is asked to go to the whiteboard and detail the schemes and structures he used to get him to this point (You can view a programming schedule here).

"I want to see how much substance is behind these statistics," Gruden said in the show's opener. "I want to find out how they pull this off. How they practice it, and how many concepts they have in their offense. I want to find out how he reads patterns, and some of the exact responsibilities he does have."

Gruden got his answer pretty quickly.

First, as is pointed out in the show, the "simplicity" of the West Virginia offense is mitigated to a point by the fact that the Mountaineers were averaging about 95 plays per game during one stretch of the season with their hurry-up offense -- a good 20 plays more than a team would generally manage at a common tempo. That's common to any quick-paced scheme -- when Tom Brady comes to the line when the New England Patriots run no-huddle, he may have a two- or three-digit call. There isn't a lot of time to go past that if you want to keep defenses on their heels. And with that offensive speed comes more responsibility for the quarterback. He has to come to the line, read the defense, and decide who's doing what.

"It's like being in a movie -- you're the director," Smith told Gruden. "You're putting guys in place, lining up sets, lining up formations, getting good looks. If you don't like the look, slow it down and gets your wits about you. Maybe throw out a couple of dummy cadences and see what's going on. Maybe switch a formation to see who moves and who doesn't (a common trap to discern whether a defense is playing man or zone coverage). Ultimately, defenses have to react to the offense."

On one weak-side zone running play that Smith details, the team lines up in a Pistol formation with receiver Tavon Austin screaming from the offensive right to left pre-snap. Smith turns with a counter handoff look and gives it to the running back on what Gruden calls "96 Wanda," but he could give it to Austin as he's moving in front of him in the formation.

"This is 'Ace,'" Smith said. "Tavon is the 'Y' receiver, so it's "Y Quick 16.' So, instead of '96,' it's '16' for us. I'm running up to the line, yelling, '16, 16' -- telling my offensive linemen, and letting Tavon know he's got a quick [call]. I've got the option to throw my 'Z' [receiver] a quick screen because [the cornerback] is so far off. There's so much intricacy in this simple play right here."

Smith then drew up '416 Quick Right' (what Gruden called '96 Wanda') on the board, first detailing the blocking responsibilities of the receivers to his left. He explained Austin's tap option, and the bobble screen option of the 'Z' receiver. Now, what Smith has to discern at the line in a split second is a bit more complicated. If there is a blitz to the strong side, Smith has to read it, and he won't want to send Austin into that. If the corner/safety combo to the weak side is switching up and the 'Z' receiver has the opening to take it deeper, Smith has to understand that, create the call, and time that new route up. If he decides to pitch it to Austin, that mesh point has to be perfectly synchronized.

Gruden's conclusion? "He's audibling. He's recognizing coverage rotations, and different techniques by defenders. They've asked him to do a lot at West Virginia. I learned a lot about him as a person -- he's a very conscientious, high-character guy. I like that."

Amazing what actually talking with Geno Smith, and actually putting Geno Smith through the paces, can do.

Now this is what I saw when I watched the show. He answered what appears to be the only question marks any of the national pundits can come up with in regards to his abilities.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Really?





And how many playoff wins and Super Bowls did two of the best offensive tackles in the history of the NFL win exactly?

This is not a good argument. As if it's their fault they didn't win. The Bengals went to their only 2 Super Bowls with Munoz at LT, and the rise and fall of the greatest offense in Chiefs history is directly correlated with Willie Roaf.

If Luke Joeckel were either one of these guys, I probably would favor taking him 1st. Or at the least... that wouldn't be a bad pick, you'd be set for a decade plus and they'd legitimately raise the level of your offense. There are plenty of Super Bowl teams that had 1st round picks at LT. The Ravens this past year had former 1st round picks at both tackles. The correct answer is 1) Joeckel is probably not Willie Roaf, and even if he is 2) we already have a 1st round LT who has developed and performed at a very high level, despite the calls from some fans to replace him with guys like Russell Okung.

[unlurking]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Now this is what I saw when I watched the show. He answered what appears to be the only question marks any of the national pundits can come up with in regards to his abilities.

Have to agree. Sounds like reading defenses was his #1 job.

I also have to disagree with the people saying he just doesn't have the right attitude, or flash, or personality, or whatever the **** they're expecting from a QB. So he's not an arrogant prick, or a cry baby. He says yes sir and no sir. He's calm and collected, rather than dancing around like Stabbin' Ray. So he dosn't have "pizazz". So what. He's not being drafted for jazz hands you reeruned ****s.

I like his personality. Kid is respectful of his seniors. Appears attentive and focused. Seems intelligent.

I'm OK with picking him 1.1.

[unlurking]

Originally Posted by tk13

This is not a good argument. As if it's their fault they didn't win. The Bengals went to their only 2 Super Bowls with Munoz at LT, and the rise and fall of the greatest offense in Chiefs history is directly correlated with Willie Roaf.

If Luke Joeckel were either one of these guys, I probably would favor taking him 1st. Or at the least... that wouldn't be a bad pick, you'd be set for a decade plus and they'd legitimately raise the level of your offense. There are plenty of Super Bowl teams that had 1st round picks at LT. The Ravens this past year had former 1st round picks at both tackles. The correct answer is 1) Joeckel is probably not Willie Roaf, and even if he is 2) we already have a 1st round LT who has developed and performed at a very high level, despite the calls from some fans to replace him with guys like Russell Okung.

If Joekel were Roaf, sure I'd consider taking him over Geno. Then again, if Joekel is Roaf, and Geno is Manning or Montana I'm taking Geno without a moment's hesitation.

Gotta be fair here, neither is Roaf or Montana, but in the same vein, I'll always prefer the QB over the LT given the same quality of player at their respective positions.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Really?

Yes, really. Here's some pretty pictures for you to look at. One of these guys even has a Super Bowl ring, through very little fault of his own. You tell me, of the 5 guys that we've posted pictures of, which one would you take with the 1.1 pick if they were all coming out in the 2013?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Guys like RunKC have taken a lot of shit from the most militant Geno fans around here. I doubt that people like that have any interest in taunting people like you. But I can certainly understand why they might have an interest in rubbing it in a little in other cases as a form of payback. I don't think it's that hard to understand, really. But then, I don't think it's that hard to understand why drafting a LT could be the best way for the Chiefs to improve their team over the long run.

Do you believe everybody here has a right to an opinion without being told to drink anti-freeze?

I've seen you be just as "militant" over in the DC forum. The only difference is you don't say "Die in a fire," which shouldn't make you any better or worse. You still endlessly troll people and make sarcastic bitch remarks just like I do when you encounter something you find ridiculous.

What you're advocating for when you wish the Geno mafia weren't so "militant" is that the Geno fans would respect the opinions of people like RunKC even though those opinions ****ing suck.

The best lesson I ever learned came in high school English class. My teacher taught us that the "No opinion is wrong" mantra shoved down our throats by the happy hunky-dory everybody-gets-a-ribbon folks is ****ing wrong. You CAN have a wrong opinion. It happens all the time. Opinions can suck, and sometimes they're not even opinions if they're REALLY ill-supported.

So get off whatever high horse you THINK you're on when it comes to the evil Geno mafia. You're just as ****ing bad.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Yes, really. Here's some pretty pictures for you to look at. One of these guys even has a Super Bowl ring, through very little fault of his own. You tell me, of the 5 guys that we've posted pictures of, which one would you take with the 1.1 pick if they were all coming out in the 2013?

So, I put up two Hall of Fame guys and you choose to put up those three?

Yeah...

Joeckel wasn't even the best OT on his college team.

Geno was the best QB in college last year.

I'd take Geno.

[unlurking]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

So, I put up two Hall of Fame guys and you choose to put up those three?

Yeah...

Joeckel wasn't even the best OT on his college team.

Geno was the best QB in college last year.

I'd take Geno.

Yeah, didn't know whether to laugh or cry at that. Decided his post was pure trolling and not worth responding too.

[penbrook]

Why wouldnt you want Geno. He has every quality you want in a franchise qb.

[BryanBusby]

Are we still asking this question? A lot of Chiefs fans are ungodly dumb.

"HURR GOTTA BUILD DEM LINES"

[Red Brooklyn]

Finally watched the video in the OP.

God, I want Geno Smith on this team so badly. It's not even funny.

I've made my peace with the strong possibility that he won't be a Chief. I get it. Doesn't change the fact that I want him. Wherever he ends up, I'll follow his career. Maybe he'll bust, but I just have a good feeling about the guy.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

So, I put up two Hall of Fame guys and you choose to put up those three?

Yeah...

Joeckel wasn't even the best OT on his college team.

Geno was the best QB in college last year.

I'd take Geno.

So militant in the way you shoved patteeu's pile of shit he was trying to serve you right back in his face! Why can't you be less militant?

Such militancy!

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

Finally watched the video in the OP.

God, I want Geno Smith on this team so badly. It's not even funny.

I've made my peace with the strong possibility that he won't be a Chief. I get it. Doesn't change the fact that I want him. Wherever he ends up, I'll follow his career. Maybe he'll bust, but I just have a good feeling about the guy.

STOP ALL THE MILITANCY!