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Old 05-15-2018, 05:56 PM  
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Trump - Liar in Chief

70% of statements out of his mouth is either Mostly False or worse.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
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Old 05-18-2018, 01:59 PM   #136
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You amazingly completely and totally avoided answering my question and ignored the point of it.
Because you moved the goalposts to only lies that affect citizens.

I said nothing about lies that affect the lives of anyone. I said lies.
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Old 05-18-2018, 01:59 PM   #137
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They also said the Benghazi Investigation lasted for 17 months is that true?
It depends. If you exclude the time the administration spent stonewalling, it only lasted 17 days.
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Old 05-18-2018, 02:01 PM   #138
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Because you moved the goalposts to only lies that affect citizens.

I said nothing about lies that affect the lives of anyone. I said lies.
Which goes back to my very first post about this.

I don't really care how much Trump lies about his crowd size, Stormy Daniels, or the size of his dick.

I care about policy which is what I should care about.

Obama lied to America about policy over and over and over. Stuff that actually affects you.
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Old 05-18-2018, 02:04 PM   #139
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Which goes back to my very first post about this.

I don't really care how much Trump lies about his crowd size, Stormy Daniels, or the size of his dick.

I care about policy which is what I should care about.

Obama lied to America about policy over and over and over. Stuff that actually affects you.
OK, if that's how you feel, great. I care about both. As I said in my response, I personally believe the constant lying as a whole damages our government and institutions, as well as our standing in the world.

Politicians lie. You'd have to be naive to believe otherwise. Trump lies like none we've seen before - frequently and without remorse when caught. It's seemingly pathological.
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Old 05-18-2018, 02:06 PM   #140
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...they have to keep score about their personal opinions of the man...it's really all they have.

Sad, really.
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Old 05-18-2018, 02:09 PM   #141
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Old 05-19-2018, 04:48 PM   #142
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Old 05-19-2018, 05:09 PM   #143
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Just saying that pictures taken at different times of an event have different meanings.

I guess you and the other libtards are unaware that Trump had 3x the people at his speech than there were at the wedding and its not even disputable.

But damn those pictures man, they be real! Really misleading.
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Old 05-19-2018, 05:40 PM   #144
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Trump's statements about crowd size, dick size, and other irrelevancies remind me of my father.

When it came to board games, he was a pathological liar and cheater.

Monopoly, Scrabble, Uno, Go Fish, Battleship, Scattergories, you name it. He'd cheat, make up rules, play dumb, and cite irrelevant justifications (ships move around in real life, banks give out loans in real life, that dictionary is outdated, just making sure you're paying attention, etc.).

In the real, relevant world, however, he's a man beyond reproach. Doesn't lie, cheat, steal, shirk his work duties, or be lawyerly with people. A man of stellar reputation and character.

I don't know if Trump is that last part (those who know him personally seem to think so), but I know that lies are not equal.
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Old 05-19-2018, 06:11 PM   #145
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Trump's statements about crowd size, dick size, and other irrelevancies remind me of my father.

When it came to board games, he was a pathological liar and cheater.

Monopoly, Scrabble, Uno, Go Fish, Battleship, Scattergories, you name it. He'd cheat, make up rules, play dumb, and cite irrelevant justifications (ships move around in real life, banks give out loans in real life, that dictionary is outdated, just making sure you're paying attention, etc.).

In the real, relevant world, however, he's a man beyond reproach. Doesn't lie, cheat, steal, shirk his work duties, or be lawyerly with people. A man of stellar reputation and character.

I don't know if Trump is that last part (those who know him personally seem to think so), but I know that lies are not equal.
We know Trump is not the last part because before he became President he was sued for being a scumbag every other day.
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Old 05-20-2018, 08:55 AM   #146
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We know Trump is not the last part because before he became President he was sued for being a scumbag every other day.
Oh, the irony.
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Donald Trump lies 11 times in just 5 tweets Sunday morning

On Sunday morning, President Donald Trump tweeted. And tweeted. And tweeted.

Between 9:04 am and 9:37 am, Trump sent 5 tweets -- all around the same basic theme: He is being unfairly persecuted by special counsel Robert Mueller even as Mueller and the broader FBI overlook crimes by Democrats.
The tweets are riddled with misinformation and, in some cases, outright falsehoods. Taken together, Trump said 11 things that aren't true. Here's the breakdown -- tweet by tweet.

1. "Things are really getting ridiculous. The Failing and Crooked (but not as Crooked as Hillary Clinton) @nytimes has done a long & boring story indicating that the World's most expensive Witch Hunt has found nothing on Russia & me so now they are looking at the rest of the World!" (9:04 am)


Trump is referring here to an article in the Times published Saturday detailing a 2016 meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a liaison for two Arab princes in which the emissary made clear that his clients wanted to assist Trump's campaign.

He is also making a tangential reference to a detailed piece published in the Times earlier this week that detailed the origins of the FBI investigation into Russia interference in the 2016 election and possible collusion between his campaign and the Russians.

Trump is hanging his conclusion on this one sentence: "A year and a half later, no public evidence has surfaced connecting Mr. Trump's advisers to the hacking or linking Mr. Trump himself to the Russian government's disruptive efforts."

What that sentences makes clear is a) no public evidence yet exists and b) the investigation is ongoing.

Untruth/Exaggeration Count: 1

2. "....At what point does this soon to be $20,000,000 Witch Hunt, composed of 13 Angry and Heavily Conflicted Democrats and two people who have worked for Obama for 8 years, STOP! They have found no Collussion with Russia, No Obstruction, but they aren't looking at the corruption..."


There's zero factual basis -- at least that I can find -- for Trump putting a $20 million price tag on the Mueller probe. The closest we have come to a fact-based cost for the Mueller probe is back in December, when the investigation's total cost was $6.7 million.

Trump's claim that there are 13 Democrats on Mueller's team is also false. According to The Washington Post's Fact Checker, five of the 16 known members of Mueller's team donated to Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign. The New York Times says that nine of the 17 known lawyers on Mueller's team have donated to Democratic campaigns in the past. Then there's this from the Post's Philip Bump: "Of the 18 attorneys we identified on Mueller's team, half gave no money to anyone, according to our analysis. Another five gave $1,000 or less. The one who gave the most also gave to two Republicans."

It's not entirely clear who Trump is referring to with the line "two people who have worked for Obama for 8 years" but, presumably, one of them is Mueller himself. The problem with that is that Mueller was appointed FBI director by President George W. Bush, a Republican. President Obama simply kept Mueller on for the length of his 10-year term.

Trump says that Mueller's team has found no collusion (he misspelled that word in the original tweet), but that too is not accurate. The investigation is ongoing and all of Mueller's findings have yet to go public.

Untruth/Exaggeration Count: 4

3. "...In the Hillary Clinton Campaign where she deleted 33,000 Emails, got $145,000,000 while Secretary of State, paid McCabes wife $700,000 (and got off the FBI hook along with Terry M) and so much more. Republicans and real Americans should start getting tough on this Scam."


First, a truth: Clinton did delete 33,000 emails after she and her attorneys determined they were entirely private and personal communications with no ties to her work as Secretary of State.

Now, to the untruths.

The $145 million figure Trump is referring to is the total donations to the Clinton Foundation by nine individuals who also at one time or another had investments in a Russian company that Clinton's State Department allowed to buy a majority stake in Uranium One, a Canada-based company with US mining interests. The problems with Trump's claim, as detailed here by PolitiFact, are considerable and include the fact that the donations to the Clinton Foundation were made prior to the idea of Clinton serving as secretary of State and that State was one of nine agencies who okayed the deal.

Trump's insistence that someone in the Clinton campaign paid then-FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe's wife $700,000 as a payoff to drop any investigations into them is a jumble of falsehoods. McCabe's wife ran for the state Senate in Virginia in 2015. A super PAC affiliated with Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a longtime Clinton ally, donated $500,000 to her campaign. She lost. There is zero evidence that Hillary Clinton was involved in the donation in any way, shape or form, or that McAuliffe made the donation to dissuade Andrew McCabe from looking into alleged wrongdoing by the Clintons.

Untruth/Exaggeration Count: 2

4. "Now that the Witch Hunt has given up on Russia and is looking at the rest of the World, they should easily be able to take it into the Mid-Term Elections where they can put some hurt on the Republican Party. Don't worry about Dems FISA Abuse, missing Emails or Fraudulent Dossier!"


The Mueller probe has not "given up" on Russia. It's worth noting that five people in the Trump campaign orbit have already pleaded guilty to crimes unearthed by Mueller and several -- including former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former deputy campaign chairman Rick Gates -- are cooperating with the Mueller probe.

Trump's implanted-informant theory is a lot like his unfounded wiretapping allegation

It's less clear what Trump is referring to with the phrase "Dems FISA abuse" although he has repeatedly suggested that Obama ordered a wiretap on him at Trump Tower during the campaign (not true) and that the FBI placed an informant in his campaign as spy (knowledgeable sources deny that claim).
As for the missing emails, it is not clear what crime Trump is alleging, although there is little doubt Clinton would have been better served to have a neutral third party go through her emails to determine which were personal and could be deleted and which were not.

Trump's claim that the so-called "Steele dossier" is "fraudulent" is also not accurate. The more salacious elements of the dossier, gathered by former British spy Christopher Steele, are unconfirmed by the FBI. But the intelligence community has made clear that portions of the dossier are borne out by their own investigation.

Untruth/Exaggeration Count: 3 (at least)

5. "What ever happened to the Server, at the center of so much Corruption, that the Democratic National Committee REFUSED to hand over to the hard charging (except in the case of Democrats) FBI? They broke into homes & offices early in the morning, but were afraid to take the Server?"


This one is, mostly, accurate! The FBI confirmed that the DNC repeatedly rejected their requests to turn over the email server that had been penetrated by someone allegedly affiliated with the Russians.

Trump's reference to the raids conducted by the FBI on the homes and offices of people like former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Trump personal attorney Michael Cohen misses the mark, however. Federal law enforcement did not break into these homes. They conducted raids based on search warrants -- and entirely legal process based on, among other things, probable cause.

Untruth/Exaggeration Count: 1

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Old 05-20-2018, 06:37 PM   #148
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Every single thing Trump said is accurate, the only lies are being told there are by AMD Photoshop and CNN.
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Old 05-20-2018, 07:46 PM   #149
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Every single thing Trump said is accurate, the only lies are being told there are by AMD Photoshop and CNN.
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