Andy Reid's football team

[Eleazar]

One of the most disturbing aspects of yesterday's series of disturbing events, to me, is that we now have Reid effectively running the team himself.

The word is that they will hire a GM, but Reid is clearly above the GM - past and future - in the pecking order. When the line was drawn, Hunt chose Reid.

To me this is never going to work.

CHunt has created a scheme where the head coach reports directly to the owner which undermines the role of the GM, fundamentally. Reid seems to clearly have been chosen over Dorsey after the relationship deteriorated and now in the search for the GM itself, we can expect that Reid will be a primary decision maker in who is hired, which subjugates the GM even further. Will it do the team good to have a yes-man at GM?

So now, what is going to be the practical difference between Reid's power play and his position in Philadelphia where he controlled everything?

Are we happy that Reid will be without Dorsey's moderating influence in the future?

Does this mean that Reid wanted Mahomes but not Dorsey, and that was a factor in the split? Should it comfort us, with Reid's history of drafting, developing, and selecting free agent QBs, including his hand-picked incumbent starter, Alex Smith?

I think everyone's alarm should be up right now. The Hunt family has a history of being too loyal to guys who weren't good enough in the past, and now Reid has basically been given the keys to the franchise. A guy who can't effectively run three time outs and two challenges.

This didn't end well in Philadelphia and, barring Mahomes becoming elite and being able to turn this goat **** into gasoline, I don't think this is going to end well either.

[Prison Bitch]

Dorsey bungled the salary cap and so he's gone. Not much more to the story. He can draft and find steals from the UDFA pool and cut lists, but you can't keep screwing the pooch on your big contracts.

[In58men]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Dorsey bungled the salary cap and so he's gone. Not much more to the story. He can draft and find steals from the UDFA pool and cut lists, but you can't keep screwing the pooch on your big contracts.

Everything is just speculation, we don't know anything.

[dj56dt58]

Originally Posted by Cochise

One of the most disturbing aspects of yesterday's series of disturbing events, to me, is that we now have Reid effectively running the team himself.

The word is that they will hire a GM, but Reid is clearly above the GM - past and future - in the pecking order. When the line was drawn, Hunt chose Reid.

To me this is never going to work.

CHunt has created a scheme where the head coach reports directly to the owner which undermines the role of the GM, fundamentally. Reid seems to clearly have been chosen over Dorsey after the relationship deteriorated and now in the search for the GM itself, we can expect that Reid will be a primary decision maker in who is hired, which subjugates the GM even further. Will it do the team good to have a yes-man at GM?

So now, what is going to be the practical difference between Reid's power play and his position in Philadelphia where he controlled everything?

Are we happy that Reid will be without Dorsey's moderating influence in the future?

Does this mean that Reid wanted Mahomes but not Dorsey, and that was a factor in the split? Should it comfort us, with Reid's history of drafting, developing, and selecting free agent QBs, including his hand-picked incumbent starter, Alex Smith?

I think everyone's alarm should be up right now. The Hunt family has a history of being too loyal to guys who weren't good enough in the past, and now Reid has basically been given the keys to the franchise. A guy who can't effectively run three time outs and two challenges.

This didn't end well in Philadelphia and, barring Mahomes becoming elite and being able to turn this goat **** into gasoline, I don't think this is going to end well either.

Doesn't our future depend on Mahomes regardless?

[T-post Tom]

OP is pure conjecture and speculation. God bless you Cochise, but I completely disagree with the theme and content of your post. This team is going to be fine. Way too early to go off the deep end. Quit flinging poo and pour yourself an adult beverage... enjoy the summer.

[Rasputin]

My care right now is the development of Patrick Mahomes II and want Andy Reid to concentrate on coaching him and the team. Fortunately Dorsey did the work for 2017 with what should be miner changes for the 53 roster to be pin pointed but they got the guys set for this year so we can at least get by for now.


But Seriously ****

[Chiefnj2]

People keep saying Dorsey screwed the cap. Wasn't Trip McKracken the salary cap executive?

Certain NFL organizations love to make the same mistakes over and over again ignoring history.

KC is looking a lot like Philly, and not the golden years.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by dj56dt58

Doesn't our future depend on Mahomes regardless?

The point being, the only way this works out well is if Mahomes becomes one of the league's elite QBs, good enough to cover all of Reid's shortcomings. Reid himself is not a good enough coach to do much more than win regular season games.

And if our hopes are pinned on Reid developing Mahomes, how optimistic should we be given Reid's history with QBs?

The Hunt family's experiment into coaches that are not accountable to GMs is going to fail. Especially with this coach, this team needs a strong GM, not a puppet.

[prhom]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Dorsey bungled the salary cap and so he's gone. Not much more to the story. He can draft and find steals from the UDFA pool and cut lists, but you can't keep screwing the pooch on your big contracts.

One sure fire way to stay under the cap is to draft shitty talent that doesn't command big contracts. Getting rid of Dorsey and his draft record should help us get out of that situation. If cap mgmt was really the driving factor here then this team will never amount to anything as long as Clark owns the team. Putting cap mgmt over a great draft record seems really misguided to me.

[Granslamwhich]

Reid coached Favre, and turned Smith into a tolerable QB. I have faith in him to turn Mahomes into a great QB... or at least someone who can throw deep to Tyreek

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Dorsey bungled the salary cap and so he's gone. Not much more to the story. He can draft and find steals from the UDFA pool and cut lists, but you can't keep screwing the pooch on your big contracts.

Not only did D. screw up the salary cap he put us at a severe disadvantage against our two biggest rivals within the division.

We had to watch the Donks outbid us on Sanders and put together a team of Allstars on defense, paying Manning a huge paycheck and still having plenty of room under the cap. They used the cap to buy a Championship.

The Faders just handed out the largest contract in NFL to a guy that has never won a playoff game, they have been outbidding everyone on marginal talent and are still in great cap shape to pull a Denver the next few years and load up for a run to the Superbowl.

Meanwhile under Dorsey..
The Chiefs did not even have enough money to sign their rookies to contracts.

That is a HUGE disadvantage and worthy of being terminated just for these reasons alone.

Dorsey let Poe walk without even giving him a contract to sniff at and then overpaid for Logan, who most on here agreed was not worth that kind of money. Did not even try to renegotiate the albatross contract signed by Maclin and did the chicken shit thing of leaving a message to tell him to hit the bricks.

Dorsey did not really address the middle linebacker position besides bringing in a couple of guys we could not afford. The secondary still has big question marks especially with a brittle guy like Gaines expected to contribute. Dorsey also passed up on many great players in the draft that could have helped this year but chose mostly dark horses that he squandered multiple late picks on.

When you add up the all the missteps in big contracts, Dorsey looks pretty inept at running a football team. Even signing the Canadian Doctor to a mega contract brought howls of displeasure on here. It could end up a bargain in the long run, but burns up valuable cap space that could have been used to plug glaring holes in the defense.

Dorsey will always be remembered fondly for finding diamonds in the scrap heap, he has a great nose for undeveloped talent and churning the bottom ten or so of the roster. But it is the top of the roster and managing the cap wisely as proven by the Pats and Donks in recent history- that wins Championships. In that area he failed miserably.

[ChiefinSD]

One of the GM's of our biggest rivals still thinks we have the best 53 top to bottom in the league.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Not only did D. screw up the salary cap he put us at a severe disadvantage against our two biggest rivals within the division.

We had to watch the Donks outbid us on Sanders and put together a team of Allstars on defense, paying Manning a huge paycheck and still having plenty of room under the cap. They used the cap to buy a Championship.

The Faders just handed out the largest contract in NFL to a guy that has never won a playoff game, they have been outbidding everyone on marginal talent and are still in great cap shape to pull a Denver the next few years and load up for a run to the Superbowl.

Meanwhile under Dorsey..
The Chiefs did not even have enough money to sign their rookies to contracts.

That is a HUGE disadvantage and worthy of being terminated just for these reasons alone.

Dorsey let Poe walk without even giving him a contract to sniff at and then overpaid for Logan, who most on here agreed was not worth that kind of money. Did not even try to renegotiate the albatross contract signed by Maclin and did the chicken shit thing of leaving a message to tell him to hit the bricks.

Dorsey did not really address the middle linebacker position besides bringing in a couple of guys we could not afford. The secondary still has big question marks especially with a brittle guy like Gaines expected to contribute. Dorsey also passed up on many great players in the draft that could have helped this year but chose mostly dark horses that he squandered multiple late picks on.

When you add up the all the missteps in big contracts, Dorsey looks pretty inept at running a football team. Even signing the Canadian Doctor to a mega contract brought howls of displeasure on here. It could end up a bargain in the long run, but burns up valuable cap space that could have been used to plug glaring holes in the defense.

Dorsey will always be remembered fondly for finding diamonds in the scrap heap, he has a great nose for undeveloped talent and churning the bottom ten or so of the roster. But it is the top of the roster and managing the cap wisely as proven by the Pats and Donks in recent history- that wins Championships. In that area he failed miserably.

This post should be pinned on CP

[prhom]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Not only did D. screw up the salary cap he put us at a severe disadvantage against our two biggest rivals within the division.

We had to watch the Donks outbid us on Sanders and put together a team of Allstars on defense, paying Manning a huge paycheck and still having plenty of room under the cap. They used the cap to buy a Championship.

The Faders just handed out the largest contract in NFL to a guy that has never won a playoff game, they have been outbidding everyone on marginal talent and are still in great cap shape to pull a Denver the next few years and load up for a run to the Superbowl.

Meanwhile under Dorsey..
The Chiefs did not even have enough money to sign their rookies to contracts.

That is a HUGE disadvantage and worthy of being terminated just for these reasons alone.

Dorsey let Poe walk without even giving him a contract to sniff at and then overpaid for Logan, who most on here agreed was not worth that kind of money. Did not even try to renegotiate the albatross contract signed by Maclin and did the chicken shit thing of leaving a message to tell him to hit the bricks.

Dorsey did not really address the middle linebacker position besides bringing in a couple of guys we could not afford. The secondary still has big question marks especially with a brittle guy like Gaines expected to contribute. Dorsey also passed up on many great players in the draft that could have helped this year but chose mostly dark horses that he squandered multiple late picks on.

When you add up the all the missteps in big contracts, Dorsey looks pretty inept at running a football team. Even signing the Canadian Doctor to a mega contract brought howls of displeasure on here. It could end up a bargain in the long run, but burns up valuable cap space that could have been used to plug glaring holes in the defense.

Dorsey will always be remembered fondly for finding diamonds in the scrap heap, he has a great nose for undeveloped talent and churning the bottom ten or so of the roster. But it is the top of the roster and managing the cap wisely as proven by the Pats and Donks in recent history- that wins Championships. In that area he failed miserably.

Interesting take on the Denver and Oakland situations. Though I'm not sure I agree. Denver got many of their FAs due to the Manning discount (wanting to play with the best to win a SB). Sanders went to Denver to play with Manning, not because we couldn't pay him. Ultimately, Denver saved money on everyone else by paying up for Manning to be on their team. They've lost a lot of pieces since Manning left due to not being able/willing to match the deals paid elsewhere. Unless there's another Manning around to pull the same stunt then it seems that isn't a viable plan going forward.

Raiders haven't really had to pay anyone yet (Carr being the first mega deal), but let's see how they look after signing Mack and Cooper.

Meanwhile, we gambled on Berry and Houston not playing at all-world levels in a contract year and got burned. We got great production out of them but then had to pay up. Smith, Berry, and Houston would make for a tough cap situation for a lot of teams, I would think.

I'll give you the doc's deal was odd, and I'd throw in Fisher and Hali as other question marks. Still, with the quality players we have and several stars, should we really expect to have the most cap room in the league?

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Not only did D. screw up the salary cap he put us at a severe disadvantage against our two biggest rivals within the division.

We had to watch the Donks outbid us on Sanders and put together a team of Allstars on defense, paying Manning a huge paycheck and still having plenty of room under the cap. They used the cap to buy a Championship.

The Faders just handed out the largest contract in NFL to a guy that has never won a playoff game, they have been outbidding everyone on marginal talent and are still in great cap shape to pull a Denver the next few years and load up for a run to the Superbowl.

Meanwhile under Dorsey..
The Chiefs did not even have enough money to sign their rookies to contracts.

That is a HUGE disadvantage and worthy of being terminated just for these reasons alone.

Dorsey let Poe walk without even giving him a contract to sniff at and then overpaid for Logan, who most on here agreed was not worth that kind of money. Did not even try to renegotiate the albatross contract signed by Maclin and did the chicken shit thing of leaving a message to tell him to hit the bricks.

Dorsey did not really address the middle linebacker position besides bringing in a couple of guys we could not afford. The secondary still has big question marks especially with a brittle guy like Gaines expected to contribute. Dorsey also passed up on many great players in the draft that could have helped this year but chose mostly dark horses that he squandered multiple late picks on.

When you add up the all the missteps in big contracts, Dorsey looks pretty inept at running a football team. Even signing the Canadian Doctor to a mega contract brought howls of displeasure on here. It could end up a bargain in the long run, but burns up valuable cap space that could have been used to plug glaring holes in the defense.

Dorsey will always be remembered fondly for finding diamonds in the scrap heap, he has a great nose for undeveloped talent and churning the bottom ten or so of the roster. But it is the top of the roster and managing the cap wisely as proven by the Pats and Donks in recent history- that wins Championships. In that area he failed miserably.

This is a good post. Dorsey was good at identifying talent in the draft, but when we have to cut our #1 WR (although he underperformed his contract) to sign our draft picks that's a big problem. But we don't really know how much of each problem was which person. All we can do now is hope for the best!