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Old 11-14-2017, 01:24 PM  
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Alright, gun rights folks. You say the problem is mental health.

For years on this forum and pretty much anywhere I discuss gun control with 2nd amendment absolutists like many on this forum, I argue that we need gun control in various forms.

In addition to some of the more radical notions that "2nd amendment rights" are absolute, I also frequently hear that America actually has a mental health problem, not a gun problem.

This is an argument that many of you have aired.

So, I am asking for what policies you want to be seen to deal with mental illness.

Here we have a kid losing his shit on social media, and by all accounts is probably at-risk for doing something horrendous at some point (NSFW):



Feel free to ignore the text that frames the video by Occupy Democrats, as it's worthless. Focus on my question.

Now, obviously losing your shit in front of a camera does not mean you will shoot up a crowd of people, but I think if we're all putting together a profile of someone who could eventually do that, he fits the profile. (Also, imagine if this guy were black or Muslim.)

What is it, exactly, that the gun enthusiasts in this forum who believe America's problem is mental health, suggest that we do with this individual?

C'mon, folks. You told me the problem is mental health policy. Explain to me how you fix it to address people who fly off the handle and say crazy, violent shit like this.
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Old 11-14-2017, 03:39 PM   #76
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So just say what you want - confiscation - and set about trying to make it happen. Why continue to flap your lips when we all know that you're just hoping that at some point something gruesome enough happens for you guys to go on your gun grab.
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Old 11-14-2017, 03:41 PM   #77
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Same thing with the travel ban and etc.
Exactly. They don't want to stop the bad/crazy/dangerous people. They just want us to be defenseless when the bad/crazy/dangerous people strike.

While they, or course, are hiding safely behind their armed bodyguards.

Or in mom's basement, as the case may be.
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Old 11-14-2017, 03:44 PM   #78
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I have no idea what my standards used to be -- this thing was never on my radar until it became damn near a daily occurrence.

I'd like to see us get it down to the levels the rest of the Western world deals with, though. That's the threshold I'd shoot for.
Why would that be important to you? You can compare lots of areas and find dramatic differences between the US and other countries. Like vehicular homicides. The US leads that category by a pretty huge margin too. Drug overdoses. Newborn death rate. Obesity. Incarcerations. Health care costs. USA! USA! USA!
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Old 11-14-2017, 03:47 PM   #79
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Old 11-14-2017, 04:04 PM   #80
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If that pairing of mental illness and guns take a turn for the worse, we're very possibly going to have to deal with it.
Who's the "we" in that scenario, and how is the Federal Government supposed to be involved in something that's not Constitutionally a federal issue?
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Old 11-14-2017, 04:05 PM   #81
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All fair, but that doesn't change the fact that this dude could literally be a poster child for People Who Go On To Shoot People.

So, we have to deal with that.
It is culturally insensitive for you to attempt to profile this young man.
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Old 11-14-2017, 04:33 PM   #82
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It is a mental health problem. Vulnerable lunatics that are brainwashed by MSM and other anti american propaganda.
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Old 11-14-2017, 04:38 PM   #83
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For years on this forum and pretty much anywhere I discuss gun control with 2nd amendment absolutists like many on this forum, I argue that we need gun control in various forms.

In addition to some of the more radical notions that "2nd amendment rights" are absolute, I also frequently hear that America actually has a mental health problem, not a gun problem.

This is an argument that many of you have aired.

So, I am asking for what policies you want to be seen to deal with mental illness.

Here we have a kid losing his shit on social media, and by all accounts is probably at-risk for doing something horrendous at some point (NSFW):



Feel free to ignore the text that frames the video by Occupy Democrats, as it's worthless. Focus on my question.

Now, obviously losing your shit in front of a camera does not mean you will shoot up a crowd of people, but I think if we're all putting together a profile of someone who could eventually do that, he fits the profile. (Also, imagine if this guy were black or Muslim.)

What is it, exactly, that the gun enthusiasts in this forum who believe America's problem is mental health, suggest that we do with this individual?

C'mon, folks. You told me the problem is mental health policy. Explain to me how you fix it to address people who fly off the handle and say crazy, violent shit like this.
It isn't a mental health problem. It's a liberals with guns problem. If we just took guns away from democrats gun violence would drop dramatically. ;-)
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:10 PM   #84
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What is 'white terrorism'?

White isn't an ideology. It's a skin color.

Why do so many not understand the difference between ideas and immutable traits?

This is what I mean by socially acceptable racism. The people who perpetuate it would NEVER use this type of language with any other group. 'White' isn't' an ideology. It's not even a culture.

Demagoguing an ethnic group on the grounds of skin color is bigoted, immoral, and disgusting. This shouldn't have to be explained to anyone in 2017. Identitarians are SCUM.
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:10 PM   #85
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I see a fine white conservative evangelical gentleman expressing his constitutional rights of freedom of speech as well as his constitutional right to bear arms.

Freaking libtards - everything has to be about race....

Oh yeah - Hillary uranium , Obama Muslim.

Ok now we have the typical responses out of the way.....

We have both gun and mental health issues. Solve the easiest one - the one that can do the most harm. No one needs a military style weapon for home defense or hunting.
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Sorry, I'm not an evangelical conservative. I don't do ass play or sexually molest children.

But I guess it's pretty normal thing in the circles you run with....
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:14 PM   #86
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You mean the federal law we ALREADY ****ING HAVE that requires a background check?
This is what it precludes in the way of the mentally ill:

An individual who "Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution."

So if you're just batshit crazy, that's not going to prevent you from making a legal purchase.

Additionally, anyone can buy a gun from a private party with no background check.
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:18 PM   #87
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hey dumbass

are you trying to argue that kid is NOT mentally ill?

Are you trying to suggest that kid represents the typical gun owner?

are you trying to suggest that making laws regarding guns will somehow cure that insane person?

you have done more in this thread to derail an honest gun conversation than help establish any kind of dialogue...youre an imbecile. Or a troll....probably both.

congrats for being part of the problem and yet being too dumb to realize it. youre no smarter than the kid in the video you posted.
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:24 PM   #88
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hey dumbass

are you trying to argue that kid is NOT mentally ill?

Are you trying to suggest that kid represents the typical gun owner?

are you trying to suggest that making laws regarding guns will somehow cure that insane person?

you have done more in this thread to derail an honest gun conversation than help establish any kind of dialogue...youre an imbecile. Or a troll....probably both.

congrats for being part of the problem and yet being too dumb to realize it. youre no smarter than the kid in the video you posted.
Why do people keep calling that kid insane? He doesn't sound much different than a lot of members on this forum.
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:25 PM   #89
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Why do people keep calling that kid insane? He doesn't sound much different than a lot of members on this forum.
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