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Old 11-12-2017, 03:46 AM  
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Old 11-12-2017, 06:16 PM   #16
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The rest of Spain has been suckling at the Catalan teat for far too long. The easy solution for this is to give Catalunya economic independence but keep them as part of Spain otherwise. I say "easy" but other Spanish regions like Andalucia may collapse under their own lethargy if that happens.
it's too late for that.

They just want out period.
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Old 11-12-2017, 06:38 PM   #17
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it's too late for that.

They just want out period.
I have a ton of friends from when I lived there and it really isn't that cut and dried. You are correct though that the way Spain has handled things has pushed more people towards a much harder stance.
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Old 11-12-2017, 06:59 PM   #18
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Catalonia is one of Spain’s most populous and richest regions. The gap between what Catalans pay in taxes and what they get back in services is around €8bn-10bn a year, something that got worse following the recession and the austerity measures implemented in the wake of the crisis of 2008-2009. The grievance is that Catalonia doesn't get its fair share of public investments.

They are getting royally ****ed.

it would be like California wanting to leave the US.
So it's a good thing.
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Old 11-12-2017, 07:00 PM   #19
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So it's a good thing.
For catalonia
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:44 PM   #20
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Catalonia is one of Spain’s most populous and richest regions. The gap between what Catalans pay in taxes and what they get back in services is around €8bn-10bn a year, something that got worse following the recession and the austerity measures implemented in the wake of the crisis of 2008-2009. The grievance is that Catalonia doesn't get its fair share of public investments.

They are getting royally ****ed.

it would be like California wanting to leave the US.
But Cali is welcome to leave is they adhere to my map.. If they would, SEE YA!!!
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:14 AM   #21
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Kinda weird that the MSM has completely avoided all reporting on this development.

Might have something to do with - they are absolutely panic-stricken that if Catalonia spins out of Spain, the Basque region will spin out of Spain, Bavaria will spin out of Germany, Silesia will spin out of Poland, - and so on -and then you haven’t got an EU anymore?

This is good.
Or even whole Eastern European countries like Poland and Hungary wanting to leave the EU too.

There's also another small part of the Netherlands, called Friesland, who wants independence.

The world is devolving towards decentralization, which is good for all of us.
A bad trend for the power consolidation by the globalists.
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:16 AM   #22
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:18 AM   #23
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I have a ton of friends from when I lived there and it really isn't that cut and dried. You are correct though that the way Spain has handled things has pushed more people towards a much harder stance.
To my knowledge Catalonia was never really Spanish. Most don't know the history of some of these countries.

My daughter's boyfriend's family and her her boss are from there.
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:34 AM   #24
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Or even whole Eastern European countries like Poland and Hungary wanting to leave the EU too.

There's also another small part of the Netherlands, called Friesland, who wants independence.

The world is devolving towards decentralization, which is good for all of us.
A bad trend for the power consolidation by the globalists.
Do you believe there can be too much of this good thing or are you hoping we end up going all the way to hunter gatherer and subsistence farming status?
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:41 AM   #25
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Much like California, you need to have in place some sort of military before anything like this works. Since liberals are afraid of guns, I doubt that is an option.
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:42 AM   #26
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Do you believe there can be too much of this good thing or are you hoping we end up going all the way to hunter gatherer and subsistence farming status?
We should divide up by ethnic groups. Multiculturalism is a failed strategy. It's amazing how liberals bend over backwards for endangered species, but are more than willing to wipe out entire cultures (but only if they are white).
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:44 AM   #27
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We should divide up by ethnic groups. Multiculturalism is a failed strategy. It's amazing how liberals bend over backwards for endangered species, but are more than willing to wipe out entire cultures (but only if they are white).
I agree that multiculturalism is a failure, but I don't think we need to divide by ethnic group. We just need to stop fetishizing non-American (especially anti-American) cultures.
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:57 AM   #28
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Too bad, Americans who are tired of war, can't start organizing like this for a revitalized anti-war movement.
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:59 AM   #29
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Too bad, Americans who are tired of war, can't start organizing like this for a revitalized anti-war movement.
The communists have a lot on their hands right now. Once they're finished protesting against Trump, white men, and conservatives speaking on campus in general, they'll get back to coordinating your anti-war rallies again. I'm sure they'll spread the word on antiwar.com and lewrockwell for folks like you.
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:01 AM   #30
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Why do they want independence?
Have you read Atlas Shrugged?

That's why TJ is splooging all over this.
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