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Trump says he believes Putin's election meddling denials

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/11/politi...ing/index.html

Da Nang, Vietnam (CNN)President Donald Trump suggested on Saturday he's done confronting Russian President Vladimir Putin over his country's election meddling since it's insulting to the Russian leader.

Trump said he took Putin at his word that Russia did not seek to interfere in the US presidential election last year, despite a finding from US intelligence agencies that it did. The fraught relations between the two leaders was underscored anew when Putin's spokesman said election meddling did not come up when they spoke, even though Trump said it did.

And he stressed that bigger issues persist between the United States and Russia that require the two leaders to move on.

"He said he didn't meddle. He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times," Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One as he flew from Da Nang to Hanoi in Vietnam. Trump spoke to Putin three times on the sidelines of summit here, where the Russia meddling issue arose.

"Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that,'" Trump said. "And I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he means it."
"I think he is very insulted by it," Trump added.

His remarks, which came near the end of Trump's marathon swing through Asia, amounted to the clearest statement yet of Trump's views about last year's election meddling issue. As Trump has traveled abroad, the special counsel investigation looking into possible collusion between his campaign aides and Russia has crept close to Trump's inner circle.

'There was no collusion'

Jetting from Tokyo to Seoul to Beijing, Trump has largely remained quiet about the Russia investigation back home. But on his flight, which departed Da Nang in the early evening Saturday, Trump's simmering anger over the Russia matter burst forth.

"There was no collusion. Everybody knows there was no collusion," Trump insisted. "I think it's a shame that something like that could destroy a very important potential relationship between two countries that are really important countries."

He added he thought that Putin and he could "have the potential to have a very, very good relationship."

Trump's acceptance of Putin's denial that Russia sought to sway the election in his favor runs counter to assessments by US intelligence agencies. While describing his relationship with Putin and the ongoing investigations into 2016 meddling, Trump seemed to indicate on Saturday that he trusts Putin's denials more than the comments of former intelligence officials, like former high-ranking intelligence officials James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper.
"I mean, give me a break, they are political hacks," Trump said. "So you look at it, I mean, you have Brennan, you have Clapper and you have Comey. Comey is proven now to be a liar and he is proven now to be a leaker. So you look at that and you have President Putin very strongly, vehemently says he had nothing to do with them."

But the CIA said in a statement issued later Saturday that the man Trump picked to lead the agency, Mike Pompeo, stood by US intelligence findings and that the "assessment with regard to Russian election meddling has not changed." The CIA declined to comment on the President's remarks.

Trump said the discrepancies between Putin and American officials weren't worth debating when other security issues require the two men's attention.
"You are not going to get into an argument, you are going to start talking about Syria and the Ukraine," he said.

"I can't stand there and argue with him," he added. "I'd rather have him get out of Syria, to be honest with you. I'd rather have him, you know, work with him on the Ukraine than standing and arguing."

Conspiracy invented by Democrats

Trump repeated his claims that Russian interference in the US election is a conspiracy invented by Democrats to distract from their electoral losses. And he implied that investigators looking into his campaign aides' ties to Moscow were better off probing elsewhere.

"That whole thing was set up by the Democrats," Trump declared.
Trump's comments, which came after a two-day stay at this seaside resort, reflected ongoing frustration at his inability to warm ties with Moscow, which he pledged to do on the campaign trail.

While attending meetings for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit, the question loomed whether he would meet with Putin, either formally or in a casual pull-aside chat.

Ahead of Trump's arrival, his aides indicated that a meeting was possible. The Kremlin indicated the same. But as the summit wore on, US and Russian officials diverged in their public statements, with American officials saying a meeting wasn't happening and Russian officials indicating it still might.

Trump and Putin did speak at various occasions throughout the summit, and agreed to release a joint statement on Syria. But they did not sit for formal talks. Trump has met his Russian counterpart only one for such a face-to-face bilateral session, at the G20 summit in Germany in July.

Following those talks, Trump's aides insisted he raised the election meddling issue with Putin and expressed concerns about the issue. But Putin, speaking to reporters in Hamburg, said Trump had accepted his denials.

After Trump departed Da Nang on Saturday, Putin similarly spoke during an on-camera press briefing. He said US-Russia ties remained in a precarious condition.

"The relations between Russia and the US have not come out of the crisis state yet," he said. "As you know, and I often talk about it, we are prepared to turn the page and go forward to look into the future to solve the problems that are of interest to people of the United States and people of the Russian Federation."

Peskov told CNN's Matthew Chance earlier Saturday that, as far as he knew, Putin and Trump did not discuss meddling in the elections, though he later said it was discussed between the two leaders.

"Putin told Trump these reports have no ground and categorically rejected even the hypothetical possibility that Russia could somehow interfere in the election process," Peskov said, according to state news agency RIA.
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Old 11-11-2017, 08:42 PM   #121
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Why would you refer to someone who was born in St. Luke's hospital in the 'Show-Me-State' - retired from the US Marine Corps - and is descended from German relatives - with Russian nicknames?
Heh. Sure, I believe all that.

Do you consider Russia to be a friendly nation to the United States, or an adversary?
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Old 11-11-2017, 08:56 PM   #122
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Old 11-11-2017, 09:20 PM   #123
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Heh. Sure, I believe all that.

Do you consider Russia to be a friendly nation to the United States, or an adversary?
My father served during Vietnam with 2nd Battalion 6th Marines - grandfather on mom's side served in the US Army (landed on Omaha Beach during the invasion of Normandy) - my grandfather on dad's side was too old to serve in the military during WWII so he served as a police officer during the war - great grandfather on dad's side served in the USMC and fought in France. No real need to get into relatives who fought in the Union Army during the Civil War.

What do you have to offer? "Happy Veterans Day"

Within the overall context of geopolitics, Russia is an adversary.

But don't ask Barack that same question - you may not like the answer.

President Barack Obama:

The Russians can’t change us or significantly weaken us. They are a smaller country. They are a weaker country. Their economy doesn’t produce anything that anybody wants to buy, except oil and gas and arms. They don’t innovate.
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Old 11-11-2017, 10:05 PM   #124
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My father served during Vietnam with 2nd Battalion 6th Marines - grandfather on mom's side served in the US Army (landed on Omaha Beach during the invasion of Normandy) - my grandfather on dad's side was too old to serve in the military during WWII so he served as a police officer during the war - great grandfather on dad's side served in the USMC and fought in France. No real need to get into relatives who fought in the Union Army during the Civil War.

What do you have to offer? "Happy Veterans Day"

Within the overall context of geopolitics, Russia is an adversary.

But don't ask Barack that same question - you may not like the answer.

President Barack Obama:

The Russians can’t change us or significantly weaken us. They are a smaller country. They are a weaker country. Their economy doesn’t produce anything that anybody wants to buy, except oil and gas and arms. They don’t innovate.
I'm glad that your relatives allegedly served our country with honor. That was nice of them.
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Old 11-11-2017, 10:08 PM   #125
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Trump: "I believe he believes that. I believe he feels he and Russia did not meddle. As to whether I believe it or not, I'm with our agencies."
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I'm glad that your relatives allegedly served our country with honor. That was nice of them.
Thank you - that is a nice concession.

Now go back and actually take time to read the CNN report and The Nation report - and get your talking points in order.

Otherwise - you are just making an ass out of yourself.
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Old 11-11-2017, 10:38 PM   #127
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Thank you - that is a nice concession.

Now go back and actually take time to read the CNN report and The Nation report - and get your talking points in order.

Otherwise - you are just making an ass out of yourself.
I already did, again, Vlad.

Now, why do you put stock in Binney's opinion when he left NSA 16 years ago? Answer that, please. спасибо
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Old 11-11-2017, 10:58 PM   #128
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I already did, again, Vlad.

Now, why do you put stock in Binney's opinion when he left NSA 16 years ago? Answer that, please. спасибо
Retired 36 year NSA Official Binney's testimony to the current CIA Director is current news (per CNN).

The analysis reported by The Nation does not invoke Binney. It's a report of analysis which supports POTUS's statements concerning the IC.

But you already know all this. Yet you persist.

Right Comrade?
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:44 AM   #129
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If you are truly from Great Britain - why do you constantly label others with Russian nick-names?

Just does not seem very Brit-Like.
Holy shit. I can hear the Russian accent as I read.
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Donald Trump might be the least capable President, from a mental and emotional standpoint, we've ever had. He's astonishingly bad and completely oblivious to his own stupidity.

Our President used the word "Haters" in a tweet, and we're not surprised by it. He's so ****ing dumb.
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Who is that?
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Holy shit. I can hear the Russian accent as I read.
This surprises no one
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:55 AM   #134
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My father served during Vietnam with 2nd Battalion 6th Marines - grandfather on mom's side served in the US Army (landed on Omaha Beach during the invasion of Normandy) - my grandfather on dad's side was too old to serve in the military during WWII so he served as a police officer during the war - great grandfather on dad's side served in the USMC and fought in France. No real need to get into relatives who fought in the Union Army during the Civil War.

What do you have to offer? "Happy Veterans Day"

Within the overall context of geopolitics, Russia is an adversary.

But don't ask Barack that same question - you may not like the answer.

President Barack Obama:

The Russians can’t change us or significantly weaken us. They are a smaller country. They are a weaker country. Their economy doesn’t produce anything that anybody wants to buy, except oil and gas and arms. They don’t innovate.
Too old for the military, and served as a police officer instead? Just like that?

USMC in France?

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Who is that?
Do you like that tweet? Do you think it's worthy of an American President?
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