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Trump says he believes Putin's election meddling denials

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/11/politi...ing/index.html

Da Nang, Vietnam (CNN)President Donald Trump suggested on Saturday he's done confronting Russian President Vladimir Putin over his country's election meddling since it's insulting to the Russian leader.

Trump said he took Putin at his word that Russia did not seek to interfere in the US presidential election last year, despite a finding from US intelligence agencies that it did. The fraught relations between the two leaders was underscored anew when Putin's spokesman said election meddling did not come up when they spoke, even though Trump said it did.

And he stressed that bigger issues persist between the United States and Russia that require the two leaders to move on.

"He said he didn't meddle. He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times," Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One as he flew from Da Nang to Hanoi in Vietnam. Trump spoke to Putin three times on the sidelines of summit here, where the Russia meddling issue arose.

"Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that,'" Trump said. "And I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he means it."
"I think he is very insulted by it," Trump added.

His remarks, which came near the end of Trump's marathon swing through Asia, amounted to the clearest statement yet of Trump's views about last year's election meddling issue. As Trump has traveled abroad, the special counsel investigation looking into possible collusion between his campaign aides and Russia has crept close to Trump's inner circle.

'There was no collusion'

Jetting from Tokyo to Seoul to Beijing, Trump has largely remained quiet about the Russia investigation back home. But on his flight, which departed Da Nang in the early evening Saturday, Trump's simmering anger over the Russia matter burst forth.

"There was no collusion. Everybody knows there was no collusion," Trump insisted. "I think it's a shame that something like that could destroy a very important potential relationship between two countries that are really important countries."

He added he thought that Putin and he could "have the potential to have a very, very good relationship."

Trump's acceptance of Putin's denial that Russia sought to sway the election in his favor runs counter to assessments by US intelligence agencies. While describing his relationship with Putin and the ongoing investigations into 2016 meddling, Trump seemed to indicate on Saturday that he trusts Putin's denials more than the comments of former intelligence officials, like former high-ranking intelligence officials James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper.
"I mean, give me a break, they are political hacks," Trump said. "So you look at it, I mean, you have Brennan, you have Clapper and you have Comey. Comey is proven now to be a liar and he is proven now to be a leaker. So you look at that and you have President Putin very strongly, vehemently says he had nothing to do with them."

But the CIA said in a statement issued later Saturday that the man Trump picked to lead the agency, Mike Pompeo, stood by US intelligence findings and that the "assessment with regard to Russian election meddling has not changed." The CIA declined to comment on the President's remarks.

Trump said the discrepancies between Putin and American officials weren't worth debating when other security issues require the two men's attention.
"You are not going to get into an argument, you are going to start talking about Syria and the Ukraine," he said.

"I can't stand there and argue with him," he added. "I'd rather have him get out of Syria, to be honest with you. I'd rather have him, you know, work with him on the Ukraine than standing and arguing."

Conspiracy invented by Democrats

Trump repeated his claims that Russian interference in the US election is a conspiracy invented by Democrats to distract from their electoral losses. And he implied that investigators looking into his campaign aides' ties to Moscow were better off probing elsewhere.

"That whole thing was set up by the Democrats," Trump declared.
Trump's comments, which came after a two-day stay at this seaside resort, reflected ongoing frustration at his inability to warm ties with Moscow, which he pledged to do on the campaign trail.

While attending meetings for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit, the question loomed whether he would meet with Putin, either formally or in a casual pull-aside chat.

Ahead of Trump's arrival, his aides indicated that a meeting was possible. The Kremlin indicated the same. But as the summit wore on, US and Russian officials diverged in their public statements, with American officials saying a meeting wasn't happening and Russian officials indicating it still might.

Trump and Putin did speak at various occasions throughout the summit, and agreed to release a joint statement on Syria. But they did not sit for formal talks. Trump has met his Russian counterpart only one for such a face-to-face bilateral session, at the G20 summit in Germany in July.

Following those talks, Trump's aides insisted he raised the election meddling issue with Putin and expressed concerns about the issue. But Putin, speaking to reporters in Hamburg, said Trump had accepted his denials.

After Trump departed Da Nang on Saturday, Putin similarly spoke during an on-camera press briefing. He said US-Russia ties remained in a precarious condition.

"The relations between Russia and the US have not come out of the crisis state yet," he said. "As you know, and I often talk about it, we are prepared to turn the page and go forward to look into the future to solve the problems that are of interest to people of the United States and people of the Russian Federation."

Peskov told CNN's Matthew Chance earlier Saturday that, as far as he knew, Putin and Trump did not discuss meddling in the elections, though he later said it was discussed between the two leaders.

"Putin told Trump these reports have no ground and categorically rejected even the hypothetical possibility that Russia could somehow interfere in the election process," Peskov said, according to state news agency RIA.
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Old 11-11-2017, 06:43 PM   #76
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No issue from me with that. It certainly is classic Clinton sleaze. Now, how many other government outfits had to sign off on that deal besides State?
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Old 11-11-2017, 06:44 PM   #77
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No issue from me with that. It certainly is classic Clinton sleaze. Now, how many other government outfits had to sign off on that deal besides State?
A lot of them did.
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Old 11-11-2017, 06:46 PM   #78
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A lot of them did.
Yet, you only mentioned Clinton, and that she sold the uranium to Russia. Why?
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Old 11-11-2017, 06:49 PM   #79
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It's not a deflection. I know when Binney left NSA. Do you?

Ok – you do not want to talk about Binney – the 36 year NSA veteran – his Whistle Blower status – the IC community being nervous about his testimony – and how all this relates to the IC comments POTUS made today – got it.

This is another article by the nation (rather long) that appears to illustrate why the IC is nervous (which is directly related to your post) – and further supports POTUS’s concerns about the IC:

Editor’s note, 9/1/2017: For more than 150 years, The Nation has been committed to fearless, independent journalism. We have a long history of seeking alternative views and taking unpopular stances. We believe it is important to challenge questionable conventional wisdom and to foster debate—not police it. Focusing on unreported or inadequately reported issues of major importance and raising questions that are not being asked have always been a central part of our work.

This journalistic mission led The Nation to be troubled by the paucity of serious public scrutiny of the January 2017 intelligence-community assessment (ICA) on purported Russian interference in our 2016 presidential election, which reflects the judgment of the CIA, the FBI, and the NSA.

This official intelligence assessment has since led to what some call “Russiagate,” with charges and investigations of alleged collusion with the Kremlin, and, in turn, to what is now a major American domestic political crisis and an increasingly perilous state of US-Russia relations. To this day, however, the intelligence agencies that released this assessment have failed to provide the American people with any actual evidence substantiating their claims about how the DNC material was obtained or by whom. Astonishingly and often overlooked, the authors of the declassified ICA themselves admit that their “judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact.”

That is why The Nation published Patrick Lawrence’s article “A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack.” The article largely reported on a recently published memo prepared by Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), which argued, based on their own investigation, that the theft of the DNC e-mails was not a hack, but some kind of inside leak that did not involve Russia.

The most recent VIPS memo, released on July 24, whatever its technical merits, contributes to a much-needed critical discussion. Despite all the media coverage taking the veracity of the ICA assessment for granted, even now we have only the uncorroborated assertion of intelligence officials to go on. Indeed, this was noticed by The New York Times’s Scott Shane, who wrote the day the report appeared: “What is missing from the public report is…hard evidence to back up the agencies’ claims that the Russian government engineered the election attack…. Instead, the message from the agencies essentially amounts to ‘trust us.’”

Forensic investigators, intelligence analysts, system designers, program architects, and computer scientists of long experience and strongly credentialed are now producing evidence disproving the official version of key events last year. Their work is intricate and continues at a kinetic pace as we speak. But its certain results so far are two, simply stated, and freighted with implications:

There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system. This casts serious doubt on the initial “hack,” as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer.

Behind the ICA lie other indefensible realities. The FBI has never examined the DNC’s computer servers—an omission that is beyond preposterous. It has instead relied on the reports produced by Crowdstrike, a firm that drips with conflicting interests well beyond the fact that it is in the DNC’s employ. Dmitri Alperovitch, its co-founder and chief technology officer, is on the record as vigorously anti-Russian. He is a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, which suffers the same prejudice. Problems such as this are many.

https://www. thenation .com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/
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Since Binney left NSA 16 years ago, no, I see no reason to give him the time of day to what happened last year. But Trump does and sent his CIA Director meet with him...

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Since Binney left NSA 16 years ago, no, I see no reason to give him the time of day to what happened last year. But Trump does and sent his CIA Director meet with him...

Deflection suits you well.

The report above your last post?

It's likely part of what Binney is discussing with the current heads of CIA, FBI, NSA.
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Deflection suits you well.

The report above your last post?

It's likely part of what Binney is discussing with the current heads of CIA, FBI, NSA.
It's not deflection, Vlad. It's a fact that Binney left NSA in 2001. You didn't know that, right?
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shut up you dope. You haven't said shit about Hillary selling uranium to Russia so spare us on your fake concerns about national security.
This kind of thing makes it difficult to take you seriously, assuming you intend to be so taken.
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It's not deflection, Vlad. It's a fact that Binney left NSA in 2001. You didn't know that, right?
So for several pages in this post - you commented about POTUS and his lack of trust for the IC.

In-Lieu of the fine reporting by CNN and The Nation - have you changed your opinion concerning POTUS and his comments concerning the IC?
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You bet, I was being lighthearted,, due to all the faux outrage.

oh, and your "shame" game is pathetic.

anything else?
Not sure what you are referring to by "outrage" and "shame game."
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https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ection/545651/

'These Are Not The Actions of an Innocent Man'
Trump’s after-the-fact complicity in Russia’s election meddling is abundantly clear.
So, to put it bluntly: At this point in the proceedings, there can be no innocent explanation for Donald Trump’s rejection of the truth about Russian meddling in last year’s elections. Earlier, it may have been suggested, sympathetically, that the case had not yet been proven. That Trump’s vanity blocked him from acknowledging embarrassing facts. Or—more hopefully—that he was inspired by some Kissingerian grand design for a diplomatic breakthrough. Or that he was lazy. Or stubborn. Or uninformed. Or something, anything, other than … complicit. Not anymore.

A year after the 2016 election, the Trump administration has done nothing to harden U.S. election systems against future interference. It refuses to implement the sanctions voted by Congress to punish Russia for election meddling. The president fired the director of the FBI, confessedly to halt an investigation into Russia’s actions—and his allies in Congress and the media malign the special counsel appointed to continue the investigation.

These are not the actions of an innocent man, however vain, stubborn, or uniformed.
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So for several pages in this post - you commented about POTUS and his lack of trust for the IC.

In-Lieu of the fine reporting by CNN and The Nation - have you changed your opinion concerning POTUS and his comments concerning the IC?
No, why would I? Like everything else, if Trump views it as anti-Trump, he dismisses it as "fake." You didn't know that, Vlad bot?
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'These Are Not The Actions of an Innocent Man'
Trump’s after-the-fact complicity in Russia’s election meddling is abundantly clear.
So, to put it bluntly: At this point in the proceedings, there can be no innocent explanation for Donald Trump’s rejection of the truth about Russian meddling in last year’s elections. Earlier, it may have been suggested, sympathetically, that the case had not yet been proven. That Trump’s vanity blocked him from acknowledging embarrassing facts. Or—more hopefully—that he was inspired by some Kissingerian grand design for a diplomatic breakthrough. Or that he was lazy. Or stubborn. Or uninformed. Or something, anything, other than … complicit. Not anymore.

A year after the 2016 election, the Trump administration has done nothing to harden U.S. election systems against future interference. It refuses to implement the sanctions voted by Congress to punish Russia for election meddling. The president fired the director of the FBI, confessedly to halt an investigation into Russia’s actions—and his allies in Congress and the media malign the special counsel appointed to continue the investigation.

These are not the actions of an innocent man, however vain, stubborn, or uniformed.

Might want to take a few moments and read the CNN report in post 20 and the report by The Nation in post 79.
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No, why would I? Like everything else, if Trump views it as anti-Trump, he dismisses it as "fake." You didn't know that, Vlad bot?
Truthiness = very consistent.
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