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Old 11-09-2017, 02:06 PM  
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NYT: Louis C.K. Crossed a Line Into Sexual Misconduct, 5 Women Say

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...Now, after years of unsubstantiated rumors about Louis C.K. masturbating in front of associates, women are coming forward to describe what they experienced. Even amid the current burst of sexual misconduct accusations against powerful men, the stories about Louis C.K. stand out because he has so few equals in comedy. In the years since the incidents the women describe, he has sold out Madison Square Garden eight times, created an Emmy-winning TV series, and accumulated the clout of a tastemaker and auteur, with the help of a manager who represents some of the biggest names in comedy. And Louis C.K. built a reputation as the unlikely conscience of the comedy scene, by making audiences laugh about hypocrisy — especially male hypocrisy....
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/a...isconduct.html

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Old 11-10-2017, 03:23 PM   #76
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So dude just jerked him off in front of chicks in his own bedroom that he was going to ****?
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Old 11-10-2017, 03:24 PM   #77
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From Louie himself:

"At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my (penis) without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your (penis) isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly."
Thanks. I still don't see where anything illegal occurred.

That sounds like a man saying the right things for himself and his career by parroting the flavor of the month.
I'm aware of the current "people in power" mantra, I just don't subscribe to it in the broad-brush manner popular in some circles right now.
Taken to it's extreme there is almost no situation where you couldn't say one person had some sort of influence over another in a first-time sexual encounter.
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Old 11-10-2017, 03:30 PM   #78
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How so? I want a clear explanation of how these poor powerless/voiceless women were abused by him in the hotel room instance. Calling it misconduct is ridiculous.
There needs to be a distinction between creepy behavior and something that's actually criminal (rape, assault) or "inappropriate" (sexual harassment/pressure) on a subordinate or similar.

Still, it is these companies choice as to whether they want to be associated with someone. Still, I don't really understand why Netflix for example feels they need to pull all of his past stand-up shows. Seems kind of ridiculous.
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Old 11-10-2017, 03:31 PM   #79
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There needs to be a distinction between creepy behavior and something that's actually criminal (rape, assault) or "inappropriate" (sexual harassment/pressure) on a subordinate or similar.

Still, it is these companies choice as to whether they want to be associated with someone. Still, I don't really understand why Netflix for example feels they need to pull all of his past stand-up shows. Seems kind of ridiculous.
Agreed. Like that chick who "went along with it" but never told him to stop. I mean wtf?
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Old 11-10-2017, 03:35 PM   #80
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Thanks. I still don't see where anything illegal occurred.

That sounds like a man saying the right things for himself and his career by parroting the flavor of the month.
I'm aware of the current "people in power" mantra, I just don't subscribe to it in the broad-brush manner popular in some circles right now.
Taken to it's extreme there is almost no situation where you couldn't say one person had some sort of influence over another in a first-time sexual encounter.
I don't think that it's necessarily "illegal" but it's definitely "misconduct".

I think that most people outside of the entertainment business don't understand that powerful men have an astonishing amount of influence. It's very different than say, an IT specialist or CPA or Lawyer, because if a woman is sexually harassed as a person in those fields, that woman can report it to HR, the police or just decide to quit and work for another company.

But women who desire (and apparently some men as well) to work in the entertainment business don't have that option. If you're a screenwriter on a TV show and you're finally getting that "break", it would be career suicide to "out" the powerful person that harassed you, or just outright quit and hope that you're hired on by another TV program.

Neither is a real option.

There just aren't many, or even any, places for females to turn, so they put up with it because there aren't any other options.
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Old 11-10-2017, 03:36 PM   #81
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How so? I want a clear explanation of how these poor powerless/voiceless women were abused by him in the hotel room instance. Calling it misconduct is ridiculous.
I think it's the wrong way to act around people so in that sense I'd call it misconduct, but I agree with you to the extent that I don't think it should be actionable or illegal misconduct.
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Old 11-10-2017, 03:37 PM   #82
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Still, I don't really understand why Netflix for example feels they need to pull all of his past stand-up shows. Seems kind of ridiculous.
From my understanding, HBO is pulling all of his content from their On Demand feature and Netflix has decided not to air a planned follow up in 2018 to Louie's 2017 comedy special.

I'm still able to access Louie's past comedy shows on Netflix.
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Old 11-10-2017, 03:40 PM   #83
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Agreed. Like that chick who "went along with it" but never told him to stop. I mean wtf?
The "wtf" issue is that they were both up and coming comedians and Dan Becky could have ended their careers immediately.
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I don't think that it's necessarily "illegal" but it's definitely "misconduct".

I think that most people outside of the entertainment business don't understand that powerful men have an astonishing amount of influence. It's very different than say, an IT specialist or CPA or Lawyer, because if a woman is sexually harassed as a person in those fields, that woman can report it to HR, the police or just decide to quit and work for another company.

But women who desire (and apparently some men as well) to work in the entertainment business don't have that option. If you're a screenwriter on a TV show and you're finally getting that "break", it would be career suicide to "out" the powerful person that harassed you, or just outright quit and hope that you're hired on by another TV program.

Neither is a real option.

There just aren't many, or even any, places for females to turn, so they put up with it because there aren't any other options.
I see your point.

My question is "where does it end"? Is CK on the same level of power as Weinstein was? No. It's a slippery slope.
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Old 11-10-2017, 03:44 PM   #85
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The "wtf" issue is that they were both up and coming comedians and Dan Becky could have ended their careers immediately.
I don't Blame them for waiting to report it that makes sense. Staying on the phone while some dude jerks off while not telling him to stop? Or sitting there watching a dude jerk off without saying stop or walking out? There's some blurred lines here.
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Knew this one was coming.

I just don't get the whole whipping yourself out and going to town in front of someone. Anyone.
No shit. Bizarre behavior.
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From my understanding, HBO is pulling all of his content from their On Demand feature and Netflix has decided not to air a planned follow up in 2018 to Louie's 2017 comedy special.

I'm still able to access Louie's past comedy shows on Netflix.
I thought I read someone was pulling all his content. I guess I can see not wanting to work with him in the future, but if they starting pulling past stuff of every entertainer that has done something creepy or obnoxious or offensive, they aren't going to have much left to air.
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Ellen Page is now accusing Brett Ratner of outing her.
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Ellen Page is now accusing Brett Ratner of outing her.
Does she think Brett Ratner is obliged to keep her secret?
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Please raise no children.

And if you want a clear explanation of why this is misconduct, read Louis's words, not mine.
So because someone is "admired" they have some Svengali like power to make women watch them jerk off to completion? That's just idiotic.

I think we have vastly different ideas of what "misconduct" means.

It's some creepy bullshit but does not rise to the level of "misconduct" in my opinion.
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