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Old 12-01-2012, 02:15 PM  
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The state of the Kansas City Chiefs.
Now what...?

With so much anger built-up with this current regime, I can't help but cheer for them after wanting them to fail miserably.

What kind of state is this team and coaching staff in who witnessed this happen if reports are true? Crennel...a defensive coordinator by heart, obviously spent a lot of one-on-one time with this troubled individual. What is he thinking? Scott Pioli...there are banners flying over the stadium calling for your head, and now one of your men has taken the life of a mother and then himself. What is running through his head. Same goes for others who witnessed this tragedy. How do you continue doing your job in a professional manner...?

I have never been in such a situation, but it is one thing to witness someone take their own life, but it's another to witness a friend take such a cowardly route.

SOC...what now? I support the donation idea thrown around in the other threads. IMO, there should be no more banners in the air for the remainder of the season. Do we now go full-homer and support this team regardless of who is navigating the ship?

Finally...if Pioli and [somehow] Crennel return next season, do you support them after what they have witness has humans.

I could have thrown this in either of the two shooting threads, but I wanted to hear your thoughts on where you stand today with the Chiefs. Are you rooting for them to win the remainder of the games this season and whatever happens with our draft position happens....? Is this a matter of football vs real-life to you and as a fan, you still wish for failure in the FO and the #1 draft pick. Or are you somewhere in the middle?

I duno...curious to hear how others feel right now about the state of our franchise given this morning's tragic events. Where do you go from here...?
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:06 PM   #151
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This was NOT a "workplace shooting".

The guy murdered his girlfriend and didn't have a ****ing clue what to do next so he went to the one "safe place" he knows. It seems pretty obvious to me.

Blaming Pioli for any of this is beyond crazy.
Yeah I just don't think beyond adding stress to his life that you can. In the end though, the mind is a crazy thing.
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:08 PM   #152
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Explain the logic underlying your conclusion.
A win would be positive for the community and the players.
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:09 PM   #153
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I absolutely despise Scott Pioli. The date of his impending dismissal will be forever etched in my mind like the birthday of a loved one, or the end of a war, etc.

That being said, a 25-yr. old man with presumably quite a bit to live for, got so mad because his girlfriend stayed out a bit too late with one of her friends after a concert that he killed the mother of his infant child and then blew his own brains out. This is just an "adult" who was either mentally ill or astonishingly immature dealing with something in a horrifically stupid, tragically short-sighted way.

Hard to pin that on Pioli. I'm pretty sure it's not something you see coming in a pre-draft interview.
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:10 PM   #154
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I don't think anyone is dismissing the claim that Arrowhead could be the trigger or part of the problem. At least I am not. I just don't think that means Pioli is somehow morally responsible for a part in this.
I was not saying such either. I was saying that a normal everyday guy on the street could get fired and go in and shoot the place up and then take his own life. I don't think him being fired would be the ONLY reason he came back and shot up a building. More that goes on in a situation like that most times.

I am not calling it a work place shooting either..
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:11 PM   #155
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A win would be positive for the community and the players.
NOTHING is going to be positive for the community and players at noon tomorrow.

If the shooting had happened Wednesday? Maybe.

But right before their pre-game walkthrough? Gimme a break. Playing a GAME right now is not galvanzing, uplifting, or positive.
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:11 PM   #156
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I was not saying such either. I was saying that a normal everyday guy on the street could get fired and go in and shoot the place up and then take his own life. I don't think him being fired would be the ONLY reason he came back and shot up a building. More that goes on in a situation like that most times.

I am not calling it a work place shooting either..
Yeah I never thought you were. Or at least I don't think I did. I can't remember. Basically 3 threads on the same thing right now.
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:13 PM   #157
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in military training in the past and at my current work I have to attend "active shooter" and "suicide watch" programs once a year.

In both cases the trainers start with the characteristics of each of these individuals:

"there is NO characteristic for either"

That is the point. You have to treat every situation and be prepared for the worse.

Everyone is different. Because you get fired from your job is sometimes the trigger not the overwhelming full reason for either.
I don't blame the chiefs or Pioli..

I was just comparing it to an everyday guy that gets fired and then snaps and shoots up the building. I think in that case he snaps at being fired and shoots up the building. Alot of people say it is works fault.

I say no that was the trigger that caused it. If you go back and shoot up a building you have other issues going on in your life.

I guess that was my point.. sorry for the confusion if any
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:14 PM   #158
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I am not blaming the chiefs or pioli in this matter. I was saying alot of people blame work for going back and shooting up a building.

I am saying that in that case there are other things going on in his life. Him being fired was just the trigger.
He didn't shoot up his "workplace".

He went to his workplace after shooting up his HOME.
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htismage brought this up in the SOC thread...but it relates to this thread topic...

Is the whole Fire Pioli movement dead?
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htismage brought this up in the SOC thread...but it relates to this thread topic...

Is the whole Fire Pioli movement dead?
No, I hope not. A player, a Chief murdered someone. Doesnt change a thing. Pioli, Crennel, and any other tie to NE need to be GONE. We were once a respected organization. Now our players are literally killing themselves and others. Sorry, but you as a leader are responsible for your "employees", Their actions and reputations. Pioli made a big deal about the "right 53" and Belcher was one of them.
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:27 PM   #162
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NOTHING is going to be positive for the community and players at noon tomorrow.

If the shooting had happened Wednesday? Maybe.

But right before their pre-game walkthrough? Gimme a break. Playing a GAME right now is not galvanzing, uplifting, or positive.
Read my OP bud. I said if they have to play a win would be better than a loss...
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:31 PM   #163
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Read my OP bud. I said if they have to play a win would be better than a loss...
For who?
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He didn't shoot up his "workplace".

He went to his workplace after shooting up his HOME.
I never said it was. My previous comments related to active shooter and suicide programs at work and in military.
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For who?
For the community and the players. You think if they're forced to play, that getting their ass kicked is going to make them feel any better? They're athletes man, sadly for many of them that is the only identity they will ever know. It is how they define themselves. A win would help their psyche and the psyche of the community.
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