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Old 07-09-2016, 09:18 AM  
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Eric Berry ‘a bit surprised’ on lack of extension progress

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Old 07-09-2016, 06:03 PM   #61
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Old 07-09-2016, 06:07 PM   #62
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I believe that the Chiefs and Berry will get a deal done as I think the organization likely views him as a cornerstone guy. I think that's what happened in the Alex Gordon extension too -- an organizational guy with very good skills. How does everyone feel about the Gordon deal now?

Obviously, these are not exactly similar situations, but perhaps close enough to make a point that maybe not all guys with very good skills should be extended at a high price.

Also, when we drafted Eric Murray, I wondered then if that signing was maybe a little hedge against losing Berry (for whatever reason). I know Murray is a CB, but he's a very good tackler and I saw a couple of draft analyses that said he'd likely be considered at safety too. Combine this with moving Fleming and Cooper to safety as well as the signing of Stevie Brown and well, maybe the Chiefs are covering themselves should the discussions with Berry go sour?

Hey, like I said, I think they're gonna get a deal done, but thought I'd just toss these thoughts out there to be digested......and likely disgorged by the most excellent CP populace.
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Old 07-09-2016, 06:14 PM   #63
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Old 07-09-2016, 06:26 PM   #64
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I believe that the Chiefs and Berry will get a deal done as I think the organization likely views him as a cornerstone guy. I think that's what happened in the Alex Gordon extension too -- an organizational guy with very good skills. How does everyone feel about the Gordon deal now?

Obviously, these are not exactly similar situations, but perhaps close enough to make a point that maybe not all guys with very good skills should be extended at a high price.

Also, when we drafted Eric Murray, I wondered then if that signing was maybe a little hedge against losing Berry (for whatever reason). I know Murray is a CB, but he's a very good tackler and I saw a couple of draft analyses that said he'd likely be considered at safety too. Combine this with moving Fleming and Cooper to safety as well as the signing of Stevie Brown and well, maybe the Chiefs are covering themselves should the discussions with Berry go sour?

Hey, like I said, I think they're gonna get a deal done, but thought I'd just toss these thoughts out there to be digested......and likely disgorged by the most excellent CP populace.
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Old 07-09-2016, 06:28 PM   #65
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I don't believe Berry is that much better than Ron Parker. If Ron Parker had been drafted in the first round instead he'd probably be getting tons of love right now.

Last 3 seasons:

Parker - 188 tackles, 27 PD, 6 INT, 3 FF, 7 sacks (2,623 snaps)
Berry - 172 tackles, 22 PD, 5 INT, 1 FF, 3.5 sacks (2,435 snaps)

I'm sure there's some other mystical, intangible quality Eric Berry possesses though.

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Old 07-09-2016, 07:03 PM   #66
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I don't believe Berry is that much better than Ron Parker. If Ron Parker had been drafted in the first round instead he'd probably be getting tons of love right now.

Last 3 seasons:

Parker - 188 tackles, 27 PD, 6 INT, 3 FF, 7 sacks (2,623 snaps)
Berry - 172 tackles, 22 PD, 5 INT, 1 FF, 3.5 sacks (2,435 snaps)

I'm sure there's some other mystical, intangible quality Eric Berry possesses though.

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I can't flame on this as I think they're both good players. In my mind, Berry's intangibles certainly aren't worth making him the highest paid safety for the next 4-5 years. I'd rather spend the money on another top notch WR like Maclin and let someone else man Berry's safety position.
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Old 07-09-2016, 07:08 PM   #67
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I don't believe Berry is that much better than Ron Parker. If Ron Parker had been drafted in the first round instead he'd probably be getting tons of love right now.

Last 3 seasons:

Parker - 188 tackles, 27 PD, 6 INT, 3 FF, 7 sacks (2,623 snaps)
Berry - 172 tackles, 22 PD, 5 INT, 1 FF, 3.5 sacks (2,435 snaps)

I'm sure there's some other mystical, intangible quality Eric Berry possesses though.

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Old 07-09-2016, 07:13 PM   #68
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I don't believe Berry is that much better than Ron Parker. If Ron Parker had been drafted in the first round instead he'd probably be getting tons of love right now.

Last 3 seasons:

Parker - 188 tackles, 27 PD, 6 INT, 3 FF, 7 sacks (2,623 snaps)
Berry - 172 tackles, 22 PD, 5 INT, 1 FF, 3.5 sacks (2,435 snaps)

I'm sure there's some other mystical, intangible quality Eric Berry possesses though.

Flame away.
I know they are different positions but, these numbers really put into perspective how good Peters was last year
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I don't believe Berry is that much better than Ron Parker. If Ron Parker had been drafted in the first round instead he'd probably be getting tons of love right now.

Last 3 seasons:

Parker - 188 tackles, 27 PD, 6 INT, 3 FF, 7 sacks (2,623 snaps)
Berry - 172 tackles, 22 PD, 5 INT, 1 FF, 3.5 sacks (2,435 snaps)

I'm sure there's some other mystical, intangible quality Eric Berry possesses though.

Flame away.
I would agree there.

You're looking at upwards of $55 mil for 5-6 years right now as I'm sure that he and his reps are pushing for him to get paid more than Harrison Smith did. That's a ridiculous number for a safety who isn't a shutdown cover guy or an elite Ballhawk/centerfielder.

They would probably rather save that money to spend on Poe or something.
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Old 07-09-2016, 07:16 PM   #70
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I'd give him $4 mill like Parker . Other than that he can take his ass and go play for Cleveland.
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Old 07-09-2016, 07:24 PM   #71
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Eric Berry tied for 52nd best in tackles last year for safeties / LBers. Yeah. Give him $10 mil . If Dorsey does this I will suck my own dick.



Oh , and 11 Int's in 5 years

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I would agree there.

You're looking at upwards of $55 mil for 5-6 years right now as I'm sure that he and his reps are pushing for him to get paid more than Harrison Smith did. That's a ridiculous number for a safety who isn't a shutdown cover guy or an elite Ballhawk/centerfielder.

They would probably rather save that money to spend on Poe or something.
Again, not saying Berry is a bad football player, or even the same as Parker. He's a bit better, just not enough of a gap between them to give him elite money.

He's worth, at most, $7M a year with a smaller bonus for sure.

If he wants more money he should have incentives put into his contract.
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I'd rather not overpay also, but why the **** are some of you talking about Berry like he didn't just play at an All-Pro level at a new (and ideal) position less than a year after battling cancer?

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I'd rather not overpay also, but why the **** are some of you talking about Berry like he didn't just play at an All-Pro level at a new (and ideal) position less than a year after battling cancer?

Questionable as to whether he truly played at that level.
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