News Minnesota man who killed teens in break-in charged with murder - Page 45

NIUhuskies · 11-27-2012, 04:56 PM

wow, this sounds pretty messed up... Cant tell if his guy is nuts or if these kids were on drugs

By NBC News staff and wire services

A 64-year-old Minnesota man was charged Monday with murder for killing two teenagers who he said broke into his Little Falls home, shooting them in the head, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported.

AP file

Byron David Smith was arrested after he told police he shot and killed two teenagers who he said were breaking into his home on Thanksgiving Day.

"If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again," Byron David Smith of Little Falls told investigators, according to a criminal complaint filed Monday.

Smith was charged with two counts of second-degree murder in the deaths of Haile Kifer, 18, and her cousin, Nicholas Brady, 17, both of Little Falls. The teens were shot on Thanksgiving Day, but their deaths weren't reported until Friday.
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Brady has also used the name Schaeffel, which is his mother’s maiden name, at times for family reasons, according to the sheriff's office.

In the criminal complaint, Smith said he was in the basement of his remote home about 10 miles southwest of Little Falls when he heard a window breaking upstairs, followed by footsteps that eventually approached the basement stairwell. Fearful after several break-ins, according to the complaint, Smith said he fired when Brady came into view from the waist down.

After the teen fell down the stairs, Smith said he shot him in the face as he lay on the floor.

"I want him dead," the complaint quoted Smith telling an investigator.

Smith said he dragged Brady's body into his basement workshop, then sat back down on his chair, and after a few minutes Kifer began coming down the stairs. He said he shot her as soon as her hips appeared, and she fell down the steps.

Smith said he tried to shoot her again with his Mini 14 rifle, but that the gun jammed and Kifer laughed at him.

"Smith stated that it was not a very long laugh because she was already hurting," according to the complaint.

Smith said he then shot Kifer in the chest several times with a .22-caliber revolver, dragged her next to Brady, and with her still gasping for air, fired a shot under her chin "up into the cranium."

"Smith described it as 'a good clean finishing shot,'" according to the compliant, but also that he acknowledged he had fired "more shots than (he) needed to."

The following day he asked a neighbor to recommend a good lawyer, according to the complaint. He later asked his neighbor to call the police.

A prosecutor called Smith's reaction "appalling."

"Mr. Smith intentionally killed two teenagers in his home in a matter that goes well beyond self-defense," Morrison County Attorney Brian Middendorf said after Smith appeared at Morrison County District Court on Monday morning. Bail was set at $2 million.

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Minnesota law allows a homeowner to use deadly force on an intruder if a reasonable person would fear they're in danger of harm. Smith told investigators he was afraid the intruders might have a weapon.

Smith's actions "sound like an execution" rather than legitimate self-defense, said David Pecchia, executive director of the Minnesota Chiefs of Police Association. Pecchia said his statements to investigators suggest he had eliminated any threat to his safety by wounding the cousins.

Smith's brother, Bruce Smith, told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis that the incident was the eighth burglary at Byron Smith's home in recent years.

The only report the Morrison County sheriff's office has for a break-in at the home was for one on Oct. 27. It shows Byron Smith reported losing cash and gold coins worth $9,200, plus two guns worth $200 each, photo equipment worth more than $3,000 and a ring worth $300.

Little Falls is about 100 miles northwest of Minneapolis.

Brady's sister, Crystal Schaeffel, told the Star Tribune that Kifer had broken into her home before. Little Falls police records show Crystal Schaeffel reported a theft Aug. 28, but the department said the report was not public because that investigation was continuing and because it named juveniles.

Tessa Ruth, an aunt of Brady, attended Smith's hearing. She told the Star Tribune she wished the man had fired a warning shot or alerted the police instead of shooting the teens.

"It wasn't right for them to be there and, yes, he had a right to defend himself. But to execute them like that..."

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...th-murder?lite

bowener · 02-19-2015, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TimBone

Sorry, I just don't see how that is a relative comment to this thread.

It isn't.

threebag · 02-19-2015, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN

No surprise here-he is still should be in jail

MINNEAPOLIS - The man convicted of killing two teenagers inside his home in Little Falls is appealing his life sentence to the Minnesota Supreme Court.

The two cousins were unarmed when they allegedly broke into his house on Thanksgiving Day 2012.

Smith returned to court in Little Falls in August for a restitution hearing and testified for the first time and argued against paying restitution to the victims' families.

had to use google to find the thread

Restitution, what do two teenage thieves come up to? About $40 a piece?

Imon Yourside · 02-19-2015, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

And bottom line; kids are still alive if they don't break into a house

Pretty much this, i can't imagine breaking into someones house and expecting a warm welcome or even to be alive. You take your chances, and sometimes u suck the pipe for that chance.

Imon Yourside · 02-19-2015, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Bullcrap. The law is very clear in most states. If you need to defend yourself, then you can. We do not need a blanket "hey if he breaks into your house, anything goes, you can even torture them if you want, whatever, its their fault for breaking in" rule.

All this guy needed to do is not be an evil, sadistic, murdering piece of crap.

True also, dudes pretty strange for sure and I don't side with him. Still you can't break into someones house and expect daisies unless you be pushing them up.

Prison Bitch · 02-19-2015, 08:00 AM

Why hasn't this clown been viciously sodomized and murdered with a broken broomstick in prison yet?

**ptlyon** · 02-19-2015, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Why hasn't this clown been viciously sodomized and murdered with a broken broomstick in prison yet?

He's got candy

Bambi · 02-19-2015, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

Pretty much this, i can't imagine breaking into someones house and expecting a warm welcome or even to be alive. You take your chances, and sometimes u suck the pipe for that chance.

Give me a break.

Imon Yourside · 02-19-2015, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bambi

Give me a break.

The dude is a strange one for sure and deserves what he got but c'mon who thinks it's kewl to break into houses? Not something someone in their right mind would do.

Lex Luthor · 02-19-2015, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

The dude is a strange one for sure and deserves what he got but c'mon who thinks it's kewl to break into houses? Not something someone in their right mind would do.

If the person who breaks into your house is any kind of threat to you, or even if they aren't but you reasonably believe that they are, then deadly force is certainly justified.

That's not the case here. The dude committed multiple first degree murders because he was pissed off.

It's not cool to break into houses. But it's not a death penalty offense.

Reerun_KC · 02-19-2015, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

If the person who breaks into your house is any kind of threat to you, or even if they aren't but you reasonably believe that they are, then deadly force is certainly justified.

That's not the case here. The dude committed multiple first degree murders because he was pissed off.

It's not cool to break into houses. But it's not a death penalty offense.

Why even risk it?

Why even be that ****ing stupid to think that you wont face life ending consequences?

**RockChalk** · 02-19-2015, 08:52 AM

Dude should be in jail.

He doesn't owe jack shit to the families of the victims though.

**Bugeater** · 02-19-2015, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RockChalk

Dude should be in jail.

He doesn't owe jack shit to the families of the victims though.

This accurately reflects my feelings on the topic.

**Rain Man** · 02-19-2015, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by threebag02

Restitution, what do two teenage thieves come up to? About $40 a piece?

I wouldn't go that high. Unless maybe the female is still warm.

If I ever run for office, would a mod please delete this post?

TLO · 01-20-2016, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Why hasn't this clown been viciously sodomized and murdered with a broken broomstick in prison yet?

I'm still wondering if this is going to happen.

threebag · 01-20-2016, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I wouldn't go that high. Unless maybe the female is still warm.

If I ever run for office, would a mod please delete this post?

So quoting this could become blackmail?

11-27-2012, 04:56 PM
NIUhuskies Veteran Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Casino cash: $8425050	Minnesota man who killed teens in break-in charged with murder wow, this sounds pretty messed up... Cant tell if his guy is nuts or if these kids were on drugs By NBC News staff and wire services A 64-year-old Minnesota man was charged Monday with murder for killing two teenagers who he said broke into his Little Falls home, shooting them in the head, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported. AP file Byron David Smith was arrested after he told police he shot and killed two teenagers who he said were breaking into his home on Thanksgiving Day. "If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again," Byron David Smith of Little Falls told investigators, according to a criminal complaint filed Monday. Smith was charged with two counts of second-degree murder in the deaths of Haile Kifer, 18, and her cousin, Nicholas Brady, 17, both of Little Falls. The teens were shot on Thanksgiving Day, but their deaths weren't reported until Friday. Advertise \| AdChoices Brady has also used the name Schaeffel, which is his mother’s maiden name, at times for family reasons, according to the sheriff's office. In the criminal complaint, Smith said he was in the basement of his remote home about 10 miles southwest of Little Falls when he heard a window breaking upstairs, followed by footsteps that eventually approached the basement stairwell. Fearful after several break-ins, according to the complaint, Smith said he fired when Brady came into view from the waist down. After the teen fell down the stairs, Smith said he shot him in the face as he lay on the floor. "I want him dead," the complaint quoted Smith telling an investigator. Smith said he dragged Brady's body into his basement workshop, then sat back down on his chair, and after a few minutes Kifer began coming down the stairs. He said he shot her as soon as her hips appeared, and she fell down the steps. Smith said he tried to shoot her again with his Mini 14 rifle, but that the gun jammed and Kifer laughed at him. "Smith stated that it was not a very long laugh because she was already hurting," according to the complaint. Smith said he then shot Kifer in the chest several times with a .22-caliber revolver, dragged her next to Brady, and with her still gasping for air, fired a shot under her chin "up into the cranium." "Smith described it as 'a good clean finishing shot,'" according to the compliant, but also that he acknowledged he had fired "more shots than (he) needed to." The following day he asked a neighbor to recommend a good lawyer, according to the complaint. He later asked his neighbor to call the police. A prosecutor called Smith's reaction "appalling." "Mr. Smith intentionally killed two teenagers in his home in a matter that goes well beyond self-defense," Morrison County Attorney Brian Middendorf said after Smith appeared at Morrison County District Court on Monday morning. Bail was set at $2 million. Follow @NBCNewsUS Minnesota law allows a homeowner to use deadly force on an intruder if a reasonable person would fear they're in danger of harm. Smith told investigators he was afraid the intruders might have a weapon. Smith's actions "sound like an execution" rather than legitimate self-defense, said David Pecchia, executive director of the Minnesota Chiefs of Police Association. Pecchia said his statements to investigators suggest he had eliminated any threat to his safety by wounding the cousins. Smith's brother, Bruce Smith, told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis that the incident was the eighth burglary at Byron Smith's home in recent years. The only report the Morrison County sheriff's office has for a break-in at the home was for one on Oct. 27. It shows Byron Smith reported losing cash and gold coins worth $9,200, plus two guns worth $200 each, photo equipment worth more than $3,000 and a ring worth $300. Little Falls is about 100 miles northwest of Minneapolis. Brady's sister, Crystal Schaeffel, told the Star Tribune that Kifer had broken into her home before. Little Falls police records show Crystal Schaeffel reported a theft Aug. 28, but the department said the report was not public because that investigation was continuing and because it named juveniles. Tessa Ruth, an aunt of Brady, attended Smith's hearing. She told the Star Tribune she wished the man had fired a warning shot or alerted the police instead of shooting the teens. "It wasn't right for them to be there and, yes, he had a right to defend himself. But to execute them like that..." http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...th-murder?lite
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