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Old 12-05-2017, 02:51 PM  
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Trump to name all of Jerusalem the capital of Israel.

Do we have anybody on this board that has been claiming for a decade that Israel and America actually never wanted to establish a two-state solution, and instead were paying it the silliest lip service possible while greater entrenching Israel as an apartheid state and precluding the existence of any kind of meaningful Palestine?

Anybody?

Let me see if I can think of one.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/w...rump-move.html

U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital, Trump Says, Alarming Middle East Leaders
By MARK LANDLER and DAVID M. HALBFINGER
DEC. 5, 2017

President Trump told Israeli and Arab leaders on Tuesday that he plans to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, a symbolically fraught move that would upend decades of American policy and upset efforts to broker peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

Mr. Trump is expected to announce his decision on Wednesday, two days after the expiration of a deadline for him to decide whether to keep the American Embassy in Tel Aviv.

Palestinian officials said Mr. Trump told the president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, that the United States would move the embassy to Jerusalem. Jordan said the president gave a similar message to King Abdullah II.

American officials, however, said such a move could not occur immediately for logistical reasons, given the lack of facilities to house the embassy staff. As a result, Mr. Trump is expected to sign a national security waiver that would authorize the administration to keep it in Tel Aviv for an additional six months.

Still, Mr. Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital — and to set in motion an embassy move — is his riskiest foray yet into the thicket of Middle East diplomacy. Arab and European leaders warn that it could derail any peace initiative and even ignite fresh violence in the region.

King Abdullah II strongly cautioned against the move, “stressing that Jerusalem is the key to achieving peace and stability in the region and the world,” according to a statement from the royal palace in Amman.

“King Abdullah stressed that the adoption of this resolution will have serious implications for security and stability in the Middle East, and will undermine the efforts of the American administration to resume the peace process and fuel the feelings of Muslims and Christians,” the statement said.

Few details of the conversation between Mr. Trump and Mr. Abbas were released, but a P.L.O. spokesman said that the call had given shape to the worst fears of Palestinians — that the United States would break with decades of practice and longstanding international consensus by recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

The Palestinians hope to make East Jerusalem the capital of a Palestinian state, and the city is of great religious significance to Jews, Christians and Muslims.

“It’s very serious,” said the spokesman, Xavier Abu Eid. “Things look very bad.”

The Palestinian news agency, WAFA, quoted Mr. Abbas’s spokesman, Nabil Abu Rudeineh, as saying that Mr. Abbas will continue his contacts with world leaders to prevent such “unacceptable action.”

King Abdullah also spoke with Mr. Abbas, assuring him of Jordan’s support for the Palestinians “in preserving their historic rights in Jerusalem and the need to work together to confront the consequences of this decision,” it said.

Mr. Trump, officials said, assured Mr. Abbas that the administration would protect Palestinian interests in any peace negotiation with Israel. He also invited the Palestinian leader to visit him in Washington for further consultations.

In his phone calls with Arab leaders, Mr. Trump is making the case that settling the question of the American Embassy could actually hasten the peace process by removing a thorny political issue that recurs every six months.

But that is primarily a political problem for Mr. Trump, who promised during the 2016 campaign to move the embassy. His pledge was extremely popular with evangelicals and pro-Israel backers, including the casino magnate Sheldon Adelson. They expressed frustration when Mr. Trump signed the waiver in June, keeping the embassy in Tel Aviv.

Middle East experts said the administration’s argument that it could not move the embassy immediately made little sense, since all that is required is to place a sign on the existing American consulate, declaring it the embassy.

For Arab leaders, word that the United States would formally recognize Jerusalem as the capital had already caused great consternation. The symbolic statement of the embassy’s change of address, many officials warned, was actually less damaging to the peace process than changing United States policy on Jerusalem’s status.

For the United States to move the embassy would break with international consensus that the status of Jerusalem remains unsettled.

Though Israel houses its parliament, president, prime minister and most ministries in Jerusalem, and Israelis overwhelmingly want the world to acknowledge the Holy City as their seat of government, the international community recognizes de facto Israeli sovereignty only in West Jerusalem.

East Jerusalem was captured by Israeli forces during the Arab-Israeli war of 1967. And the permanent status of Jerusalem as a whole, East and West, was postponed under the Oslo Accords, although Israel extended Jerusalem’s municipal borders to encompass the predominantly Arab eastern neighborhoods.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:42 PM   #46
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The core of the problem is that Palestinian recognition of Israel as the state of the Jewish People would not only end the dream of the return to Palestine, but also of the destruction of Israel currently being implemented through the incitement and terrorist campaign waged by the Palestinian People in their institutions, mosques, schools, terrorist organizations and foreign propaganda centers. Their strategic intention is to perpetuate the conflict, not end it.

Unlike the Jews, the Palestinians are not documented in the Holy Qur'an or the Old and New Testaments. There is no documentation of their presence in Palestine
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Old 12-05-2017, 06:36 PM   #47
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Morally, or geopolitically?
Why should the Israelis accept a people that have vowed to destroy them?
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Old 12-05-2017, 06:40 PM   #48
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Why should the Israelis accept a people that have vowed to destroy them?
They should expel every last one of the so-called "Palestinians". It should have been done decades ago.
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Old 12-05-2017, 06:44 PM   #49
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They should expel every last one of the so-called "Palestinians". It should have been done decades ago.
Some of the shit people on this board say.

Hey, why do you think they haven't done it? They just never thought of it?

Or could it be that the expected consequences would be unacceptable. Gee, I wonder.........
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Old 12-05-2017, 06:50 PM   #50
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:10 PM   #51
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Why should the Israelis accept a people that have vowed to destroy them?
There are also some Israelis that want all the land for one Israel. It's called the Likud party today but it's really just an offshoot of the Irgun. This is your Sharons and Bibis and what our NeoCons are essentially. There's also Palestinians who to take all the land for them too. Those are the two extremes over there. The only way is to work with those between the two extremes.

There are plenty of Israelis, and American Jews who support a two-state solution; even some who think Israel should just be a secular or not a Jewish state with a pluralist society for all there—like most "democracies." ( If I have to use that word.)
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:46 PM   #52
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:11 PM   #53
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:42 PM   #54
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About time, wasn't this supposed to happen in 1995 or something?

And who gives a shit what the Arabs think, they can go **** themselves! Scared of pork, pussy-ass dick holes!
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There is no such thing as a Palestinian.
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Old 12-06-2017, 07:17 AM   #56
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Palestine can suck it.
On all matters that involve Israel and Palestine, this is my official position.

.... And as others have alluded to, how the heck is Trump gonna name all of Jerusalem the capital of Israel? Has he taken another job or been given another position I am not aware of? Outside of brute force, where is he gonna get the authority?
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Old 12-06-2017, 07:36 AM   #57
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Good. It is time. We will stand as one with Israel.
Apparently not everyone. We can criticize another govt when they do something we think isn't right. America First! MAGA!
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There is no such thing as a Palestinian.
There once was no such thing as an American either. But somehow, we came to be. Same for the Palestinians.

In fact there was once no Israel. The Canaanites were there and driven out.
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Old 12-06-2017, 07:43 AM   #59
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I don't understand how Trump could be criticizing Bibi as being more of the problem to make peace over there, then do this?

Perhaps, now the war that's being cooked-up with Israel and the Saudis against Iran, will affect that coalition so it can't happen. Ya' the know the one with the cherry-picked intel in the same pattern as before Iraq. At least George Bush, ignored the pressure to start another one over there.
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I don't understand how Trump could be criticizing Bibi as being more of the problem to make peace over there, then do this?

Perhaps, now the war that's being cooked-up with Israel and the Saudis against Iran, will affect that coalition so it can't happen. Ya' the know the one with the cherry-picked intel in the same pattern as before Iraq. At least George Bush, ignored the pressure to start another one over there.
Is something going on with Iran? I mean other than the usual. This is the second time I have seen posters mention a new war in the middle east.
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