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When the President of the US decides to wilfully incriminate himself in a tweet,

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a8089836.html

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When the President of the US decides to wilfully incriminate himself in a tweet, we’re better off without him as an ally.


Trump is a danger to a British national interest better served by reversing the referendum result, remaining in the EU, and hugging civilised allies close until a semblance of sanity returns to DC

Donald Trump’s relationship with the document he swore to protect in January has become even more special.

He was always a quixotic voice on the US Constitution, adoring the Second Amendment (right to bear arms) as fiercely as he hates the First (right to free speech) for preventing him from suing newspapers for fair comment.

Yet however inconsistent his previous constitutional musings, they took a turn towards the deranged this weekend.

Traditionally, US citizens facing potential criminal charges have pled the Fifth (right not to self-incriminate) with such robotic frequency that it has become a movie cliche. Watch Miss Sloane, a scintillating thriller about the ineffably nauseating world of Washington lobbyists, and you’ll hear Jessica Chastain’s title character repeatedly stonewall a Congressional enquiry with the mantra: “I must respectfully decline to answer your question, based on my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution.”

Technically, nothing the tangerine huckster could do now, from shutting down South Dakota by executive order to nuking Andorra, has the power to shock. But throwing away a precious constitutional right, and actively choosing to incriminate himself when under no pressure to say anything, was a touch startling.

The relevant tweet came in response to Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, flipping its onetime director. Mike Flynn has pled guilty to lying to the FBI over his dealings with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak before Trump took office.

It seems that Flynn was deputed by someone close to Trump to discuss sanctions with Kislyak in breach of the Logan Act forbidding private citizens dealing with foreign governments. If that and/or Flynn’s other extracurricular activities (trying to prevent a UN resolution condemning Israel for its settlements) deliberately undermined White House policy, it might not be a billion miles from treason.

Since Flynn has been charged with a trivial offence carrying a six month sentence, it is assumed he has agreed to serenade Mueller with sweet canary song. More arrests and charges are thought inevitable as the Kremlin walls close in on Donald Trump – though if he is sticking to the standard McDonald’s meal outlined in a new book (two Big Macs, two Filet-O-Fish, chocolate malt milk shake) it might be more accurate that Trump’s belly is closing in on the Kremlin walls. This may prove a two horse race between impeachment and infarction.

Whatever the state of his coronary arteries, the heartbreaking tweet he filed on Saturday went: "I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI … It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!”

Until then, he claimed he fired Flynn purely for lying to Mike Pence. Trump’s admission to knowing his short lived National Security Advisor had lied to the Feds before he urged previous special counsel James Comey to “go easy on Flynn” looks remarkably like a voluntary confession to the impeachable offence of obstructing justice.

That doesn’t guarantee impeachment, but it does give Trump grave cause for concern. In today’s dawn chorus tweet, he showed he understands why. “I never asked Comey to stop investigating Flynn. Just more Fake News covering another Comey lie!”

At this point, one could closely examine the detail of Comey’s testimony to a congressional hearing, barely challenged until now, about how Trump cleared the room of witnesses after dinner one night, isolated him, and urged him to not “to go after” Flynn.

But when it’s one person’s word against another, and one of the persons is Donald Trump, why waste the space? No reasonable person doubts that he first leaned on Comey, and then sacked him for disobeying an order framed, mafioso-style, as a request. If he did that knowing Flynn had broken the law, as he admits, the odds against him breaking new ground by granting a presidential pardon to himself.

So ends another tempestuous week in the eye of the Trumpnado. Retweeting Britain First’s Islamophoic propaganda films, misaddressing his reply to the Prime Minister’s rebuke to a Bognor housewife, dissing the Fifth in favour of wilful self-incrimination, and perjuring himself once again in the court of public opinion by accusing an honest man of lying. Behold the leader of the free world to whose good graces the non-Bognor Theresa May has seen fit to entrust our post-Brexit hopes of economic salvation.

There never was a prospect of a quick and generous trade deal with the US. Trade deals are never quick, and the United States is never generous in its commercial dealings with foreign powers on imaginary grounds of sentimental attachment. The one special thing about this relationship since 1945 is that they always take and we always give.

But since the flaw that defines Trump more clearly than infantile narcissism, proudful ignorance, default mendacity or hideous gluttony happens to be grudge-bearing vindictiveness, there is now every prospect of either no deal or a terrible deal being struck if this supersize-lies-with-everything McDonald’s presidency endures.

Not lovin’ it, a patriotic British Prime Minister would instruct MI6 to give Mueller whatever help it can in unravelling the special relationships with Russian businessmen that long predate his political career.

After this diplomatic Twitter spat, Donald Trump’s survival is a threat not only to common decency and global security. It is a danger to a British national interest more patently served than ever by reversing the referendum result, remaining in the EU, and hugging civilised allies close until a semblance of sanity returns to DC.
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Old 12-03-2017, 09:02 PM   #136
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Old 12-03-2017, 09:05 PM   #139
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ritish-heroism

the BOB was more on Germany Being retarded than Great U.K leadership.

he British made mistakes, too. Unlike the runup to 1914, when lurid invasion scares were the stuff of military planning, bestsellers such as The Riddle of the Sands and even West End plays, the prospect had been widely ignored throughout the 1930s until the miraculous evacuation of the army from Dunkirk in May 1940.

Then it suddenly stared everyone in the face. As hasty improvisations were made, including the new Home Guard of later Dad’s Army fame, the rumour mill spun wildly. German parachutists (they might be dressed as nuns) were reported, and thousands of dead bodies allegedly spotted in the Channel. It would all have put Twitter to shame. The likelihood of a real invasion between Dorset and Kent depended on control of the airspace and the “fighter boys” – teenagers, some of them – whom Winston Churchill famously dubbed the Few on 20 August as the battle raged.

Germans are half right, then as now, when they dismiss the battle as a sideshow. Compared with the assault by 180 divisions on Soviet Russia that Hitler was already planning for the following spring, the aerial battle fought mostly over southern England 75 summers ago was just that.

But Churchill’s assessment was more strategically sound. As Britain’s only recently installed prime minister, he used his epic “finest hour” speech to the Commons on 18 June (the day after France sought an armistice) to predict that “Hitler knows he will have to break us in this island or lose the war.”

He didn’t, and he did.

Was that a grandiose and self-serving judgment by a leader who knew he had to raise shaky morale (he included a few jokes) at all costs? There must have been an element of that. But Hitler’s insecurity (his generals called it his “island madness”) would make him keep large garrisons and weapons on the barricaded coasts of occupied northern Europe, so that even the irrelevant Channel islands were turned into a fortress.

It being touted as some great victory was Government propaganda
Lol another op ed?



Britain won the bob. Hitler then knew he could embargo the uk with u boats and starve them out. They were not a threat. He turned his attention to the USSR.

See what I did there? Those were my own words. Can you discuss this? I guess not
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Old 12-03-2017, 09:16 PM   #140
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Britain won the bob. Hitler then knew he could embargo the uk with u boats and starve them out. They were not a threat. He turned his attention to the USSR.

See what I did there? Those were my own words. Can you discuss this? I guess not
and you can make an argument that it would have been better for the U.K if they lost that battle

What Hitler did was therefore designed to secure that end: a deal, not a full-scale invasion. Fighter Command would be destroyed – flushed with his European successes, ex-fighter ace turned military chief Hermann Göring said it could be done in four days – and a fleet of barges assembled at French channel ports. Hopefully mere bluff would do the trick, as it had against Austria in 1938.

So it was only in May that Hitler had discussed the invasion options with his not very keen admirals, only in mid-July that he issued directive number 16: “I have decided to begin to prepare for and, if necessary, to carry out an invasion of England.”

If that sounds tentative, it was. Operation Lion (Hitler himself changed it to “Sealion”) was intended to provoke British panic, disintegration and capitulation. A few days later, he offered peace terms to Herr Churchill in a Reichstag speech, which said he had no wish to “destroy a great empire”. On the night of 1 August, leaflets entitled “A Last Appeal to Reason” were airdropped all over Britain. Hitler felt ambiguous towards “Anglo-Saxon” Britain, admiration mixed with a determination to humiliate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church...nnecessary_War

You could make an argument that the world would be a better place if the U.K never got involved.

Halifax said it would be the end of the British empire if they stayed in the war he was right.
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Old 12-03-2017, 09:22 PM   #141
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and you can make an argument that it would have been better for the U.K if they lost that battle

What Hitler did was therefore designed to secure that end: a deal, not a full-scale invasion. Fighter Command would be destroyed – flushed with his European successes, ex-fighter ace turned military chief Hermann Göring said it could be done in four days – and a fleet of barges assembled at French channel ports. Hopefully mere bluff would do the trick, as it had against Austria in 1938.

So it was only in May that Hitler had discussed the invasion options with his not very keen admirals, only in mid-July that he issued directive number 16: “I have decided to begin to prepare for and, if necessary, to carry out an invasion of England.”

If that sounds tentative, it was. Operation Lion (Hitler himself changed it to “Sealion”) was intended to provoke British panic, disintegration and capitulation. A few days later, he offered peace terms to Herr Churchill in a Reichstag speech, which said he had no wish to “destroy a great empire”. On the night of 1 August, leaflets entitled “A Last Appeal to Reason” were airdropped all over Britain. Hitler felt ambiguous towards “Anglo-Saxon” Britain, admiration mixed with a determination to humiliate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church...nnecessary_War

You could make an argument that the world would be a better place if the U.K never got involved.

Halifax said it would be the end of the British empire if they stayed in the war he was right.
I’m done here. You’ll never get it and I’m not going to fuel this nonsense lol
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Yeah, I made my one statement on the British and WWII history front tonight. I just don't have the fortitude to dive full-bore into this.

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The plan was to destroy the Royal Air Force before an amphibious landing. If the Battle of Britain isn’t won Hitler may not have invaded the USSR. Then what? Oaklandhater doesn’t realize this shit does he?
No, Hitler always intended to invade Russia. He really didn't even consider the Brits to be true enemies. He just wanted them gone so that he wasn't fighting a two front war.


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Old 12-04-2017, 04:08 PM   #144
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No, Hitler always intended to invade Russia. He really didn't even consider the Brits to be true enemies. He just wanted them gone so that he wasn't fighting a two front war.


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This thread got hijacked into a WW2 history lesson and I love it lol.

Donger is 100% right Hitler had no desire to invade England he would hope bombing them would drop their moral low enough to offer an armistice.
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This thread got hijacked into a WW2 history lesson and I love it lol.

Donger is 100% right Hitler had no desire to invade England he would hope bombing them would drop their moral low enough to offer an armistice.
I'm certain Donger appreciates your validating his British history knowledge.
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I'm certain Donger appreciates your validating his British history knowledge.
I'm sure donger isn't being a dick about it when I agreed with him on his take.

I didn't know only brits could talk about Operation Sea-lion.
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I'm sure donger isn't being a dick about it when I agreed with him on his take.

I didn't know only brits could talk about Operation Sea-lion.
Donger is an American.
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Got to love the cheering of the GOP base as trump completely wrecks our world standing.
I can't stand Trump, but lack concern over 'world standing', particularly when the UN is so anti-semitic it makes hitler blush.
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