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Old 11-25-2017, 07:05 PM  
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US State Department Plans to Meddle in Hungary's Elections

Like I said, State Dept is swarming with Globalists starting with Condi Rice. Orban is a natural ally of Trump.
Orban is against the migrant crisis and tossed Soros out for his meddling—now we hear this?

Changed my mind about Rex Tillerson. We need a Rexit.
The Rex Tillerson State Department will pump $700,000 into Hungarian media to remove Viktor Orban.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...-leader-orban/

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017...rban-patriots/
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Old 11-26-2017, 10:21 AM   #31
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Patteeu's comparison is misplaced and not apples/oranges.
Specific FACTS to back this up are:

Orban is an ally of the US and supports Trump. They are hardly a threat.

Whereas, the Soviet Union was an expansionist empire seeking global domination for international socialism—what was popularly known as and called communism which was a tyranny. It sought to surround the US eventually (though now they're inside) replace the United States. This was the Cold War.

There is NO Cold War with the Hungarian govt—especially not with the favored conservative. So it's pure nonsense, that it is being done.

Like I said, even before this thread, the State Dept has been taken over by globalists including Condi Rice a NeoCon and promoter of the Iraq War. They are doing the opposite of Trump's ideas. You can see this Condi-effect when Tillerson says something like "Assad can stay," then he reverses that statement shortly after with "Assad must go." That's the globalists working on him at State.
His objection seemed to be about spending money on information campaigns intended to influence the politics of foreign countries. My analogy holds for that purpose. Arguments about the worthiness of the project are beside the point.
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Old 11-26-2017, 10:53 AM   #32
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His objection seemed to be about spending money on information campaigns intended to influence the politics of foreign countries. My analogy holds for that purpose. Arguments about the worthiness of the project are beside the point.
Well, that's close. My objection is about spending money we don't have when the nation is not under direct threat. Now if this was an Iran or North Korea thread, my opinion would change. Sure, it would be nice if we could run around the globe putting anybody into power we want, but when it comes to money changing hands... full stop.

The way I look at our government spending is this...

Every dollar we spend is coming out of my great great grand children's pocket because we have had too many years of "what's in it for me". Then politicians do the natural thing and start buying votes. Well, they have bought 20 trillion dollars worth over the years.

So I look at every dollar we spend through the lens of since my great great grand children are the ones paying for this, does it directly benefit them? Keeping America a sovereign nation I think directly benefits them regardless of the cost. Who is the president of Hungary or Zimbabwe for that matter doesn't fit the bill, at least in my mind. My $.02
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Old 11-26-2017, 10:53 AM   #33
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Patteeu's comparison is misplaced and not apples/oranges.
Specific FACTS to back this up are:

Orban is an ally of the US and supports Trump. They are hardly a threat.

Whereas, the Soviet Union was an expansionist empire seeking global domination for international socialism—what was popularly known as and called communism which was a tyranny. It sought to surround the US eventually (though now they're inside) replace the United States. This was the Cold War.

There is NO Cold War with the Hungarian govt—especially not with the favored conservative. So it's pure nonsense, that it is being done.

Like I said, even before this thread, the State Dept has been taken over by globalists including Condi Rice a NeoCon and promoter of the Iraq War. They are doing the opposite of Trump's ideas. You can see this Condi-effect when Tillerson says something like "Assad can stay," then he reverses that statement shortly after with "Assad must go." That's the globalists working on him at State.
It is a fact that this State program exists. It is not a fact that it is designed and intended to hurt Orban.
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Old 11-26-2017, 10:55 AM   #34
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Well, that's close. My objection is about spending money we don't have when the nation is not under direct threat. Now if this was an Iran or North Korea thread, my opinion would change. Sure, it would be nice if we could run around the globe putting anybody into power we want, but when it comes to money changing hands... full stop.

The way I look at our government spending is this...

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So I look at every dollar we spend through the lens of since my great great grand children are the ones paying for this, does it directly benefit them? Keeping America a sovereign nation I think directly benefits them regardless of the cost. Who is the president of Hungary or Zimbabwe for that matter doesn't fit the bill, at least in my mind. My $.02
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Old 11-26-2017, 11:24 AM   #35
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Obviously you don't read many of my posts. I am a true social AND fiscal conservative. I have said several times on here I am no fan of Trumps proposed budget. I have went as far as to say if the next election was held today, and if the Dems found somebody other than a criminal or socialist to run, I would leave my ballot blank. I will never vote D, but I don't just blindly vote R either.
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Old 11-26-2017, 03:26 PM   #36
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This is why other countries shake their heads at the US when we try to claim the high ground on many issues.

We do it in nearly every country and it is for a good cause; other countries do it and it's for a bad cause.
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Old 11-26-2017, 04:17 PM   #37
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This is why other countries shake their heads at the US when we try to claim the high ground on many issues.

We do it in nearly every country and it is for a good cause; other countries do it and it's for a bad cause.
Are you trying to equate what we are doing n Hungary with what the Russians apparently did in our election?
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Old 11-26-2017, 04:18 PM   #38
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More concerned about US meddling in Hungary than Russian meddling in the US?
More concerned with Russian meddling than Ukraine meddling?
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More concerned with Russian meddling than Ukraine meddling?
There wasn't any state-sponsored Ukrainian meddling, Bitch. You've been shown this, yet you keep saying it. That's what we big boys call a lie.
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Old 11-27-2017, 12:50 PM   #42
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Ron Paul and Daniel McAdams discuss the hypocrisy of the US govt meddling in Hungary's elections.

The US State Department has announced that it is going to spend a million dollars to prop up anti-government newspapers in the Hungarian countryside, which would have a direct effect on the upcoming Hungarian elections. Isn't this what the US claims the Russians did to our elections? Is it OK if we do it?

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