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Old 05-11-2008, 11:49 AM  
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Okay, here is a place for the Golfers to talk about tournaments, clubs, swing help or thoughts.

Today is the Players Championship, which I think ought to be the 5th Major. Largest pot in the PGA. The daunting 17th, which seems to bring excitement every year. At least we will get to see Sergio blow up yet again.

I am ready to see some water balls!
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Old 09-28-2014, 10:17 PM   #4906
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That's exactly the place to do it. Phil stood up for Mahan when he was a blubbering mess in the last cup.He's been an exemplary teammate
I know you're a Phil fan, but throwing the captain (who happens to be a golf legend) completely under the bus in front of the media after a loss like that is not a good look for him.
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Old 09-28-2014, 10:47 PM   #4907
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I know you're a Phil fan, but throwing the captain (who happens to be a golf legend) completely under the bus in front of the media after a loss like that is not a good look for him.
That captain made a complete ass of himself this week. Tom Watson isn't sacrosanct because he won a bunch of British Opens in the Carter administration.
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Old 09-28-2014, 11:42 PM   #4908
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That captain made a complete ass of himself this week. Tom Watson isn't sacrosanct because he won a bunch of British Opens in the Carter administration.
Whether Tom Watson is a terrible captain/asshole himself is completely irrelevant to the point.
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Old Yesterday, 07:36 AM   #4909
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Personally, I applaud Phil for having the balls to answer the question honestly instead of trying to duck it.

He was going to get blasted either way, IMO. Had he waited and made his comments "behind closed doors" as everyone seems to think would have been best, is there any doubt those comments would have been leaked within 30 minutes?

He'd be getting killed if his "private sniping" stated getting Tweeted out by Rosaforte or Jason Sobel.

Watson seemed to think his status as a golf legend was all that was required of the job. His captaincy reminded me of Clint Eastwood in [i]Gran Torino[/]. "Get off my lawn" or "crotchety old man" is not a management style.

Watson ****ed this thing up from the get-go. Leaving Horschel and Kirk at home, sitting Reed and Spieth on Friday afternoon, sitting Lefty and Keegan for three straight matches, playing Rickie and Jimmy too much. Giving the players no part of the decision making, or even having explanations for your decisions.

The whole weekend was a mess, and probably will be again in Minnesota in two years unless the PGA of America fixes the selection system for both players and coaches.
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I hate the idea of automatic qualifying players....then you're stuck with chokers like Furyk or assholes like Bubba who could give a shit less to play it and it shows.

Let the captain mold exactly what kind of team and players he wants...
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I hate the idea of automatic qualifying players....then you're stuck with chokers like Furyk or assholes like Bubba who could give a shit less to play it and it shows.

Let the captain mold exactly what kind of team and players he wants...
The best thing that could happen is that the Tour takes over from the PGA of America - but that would never happen.

Best you'll be able to do at this point is hope a captain goes in there and makes demands like Zinger did prior to 2008.

I'm fine with automatic selections, but would like to see there only be 6 spots, and the other 6 reserved for Captain's Picks to be made the week of or Sunday night following the Tour Championship.

Also, I'd like to see more weight given to wins during the regular season and playoffs for the automatic selections, so a guy like Furyk who regularly Top 10's but never closes don't automatically make the team.

I'd also like to see the American tour players have some voice in who is named captain like they do in Europe, instead of the PGA naming whoever the **** they want. And enough with the ****ing politics. Decide who would be the BEST captain and ignore the career resume. Some of the best player in history have been shitty leaders. A good playas img resume means shit. Pick a guy who can LEAD MEN.

None of this will ever happen, but it would be a good start, IMO.
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Old Yesterday, 05:12 PM   #4912
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I’m saying that without sarcasm – it seems probable to me that American players will only respond to a nice guy captain. That’s fine, but then you don’t hire Watson. He’s not a nice guy, not in that way. And that’s what I mean when I say that they really didn’t want him as captain. Mickelson’s record coming into this the Ryder Cup was 11-17-6. That’s spectacularly bad for a player of Mickelson’s skills. Look at the Ryder Cup records of other players with at least five major championships (winning percentage in parentheses):

• Arnold Palmer: 22-8-3 (71.2%)

• Tom Watson: 10-4-1 (70%)

• Lee Trevino: 17-7-6 (66.6%)

• Jack Nicklaus: 17-8-3 (66.0%)

• Seve Ballesteros: 20-12-5 (60.8%)

• Nick Faldo: 23-19-4 (54.3%)

• Tiger Woods: 13-17-3 (43.9%)

• Phil Mickelson: 13-18-6 (43.2%)

From this, you might determine that Mickelson is the problem and not the solution (ditto for Tiger). You would think the PGA of America brought in Watson to deal with the issues of the recent generation of great American golfers, not cater to their whims. Watson likes Mickelson (or did before the Ryder Cup, don’t know about now) but his job was to try and pull a major upset and win a Ryder Cup in Europe. Mickelson has never been on a team that has done that. The thought had to be that Watson would change things.

But the team wasn’t ready for Watson. They didn’t respond to Watson. They didn’t want a captain like Watson. Mickelson’s passive-aggressive rant after the United States' overwhelming loss about Paul Azinger’s magical pod system was a perfect summary of events. The U.S. just got its butts kicked all over Scotland, and this guy’s talking nonsense about pods.
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Watson ****ed this thing up from the get-go. Leaving Horschel and Kirk at home, sitting Reed and Spieth on Friday afternoon, sitting Lefty and Keegan for three straight matches, playing Rickie and Jimmy too much. Giving the players no part of the decision making, or even having explanations for your decisions.
Horschel hadn't done anything all season prior to the captain's picks deadline, so kind of hard to blame Watson there. Personally, I think the deadline should be pushed later and that there should be less automatic qualifiers.
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While I agree that guys like Lefty and Tiger should be playing better in these events, comparing them to Palmer, Watson, Nicklaus, etc. is ****ing ridiculous.

Those guys should have a winning record - they played against absolute shitheels.

The game changed when the rest of Europe was invited to play, and the rise of the European Tour has played a role as well.
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Whether Tom Watson is a terrible captain/asshole himself is completely irrelevant to the point.
So is what he accomplished in his career.

Phil was in the right. Period. It's not an accident that several players immediately took to his defense afterward. Watson took a Rumsfeld approach to management and ****ed it up. He thought he had all the answers and he didn't even understand the questions. Moreover, he was bellicose when confronted with any questioning of his decisions.

It's the same shit in every other sport: you can get away with being an asshole if you're good. Todd Haley was not a good coach, so the asshole schtick wore out quick. Tom Watson was not a good captain.
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While I agree that guys like Lefty and Tiger should be playing better in these events, comparing them to Palmer, Watson, Nicklaus, etc. is ****ing ridiculous.

Those guys should have a winning record - they played against absolute shitheels.

The game changed when the rest of Europe was invited to play, and the rise of the European Tour has played a role as well.
You have to realize that he's quoting one of the biggest ****ing dumbasses/con-men in the history of sportswriting.
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So is what he accomplished in his career.
I didn't say it wasn't, but Watson's legend status adds to the optics of it for Phil. It's very much akin to a top player throwing his head coach under the bus immediately after losing a championship game. Right or not, that was really neither the time or place to say something like that. In doing it, he made the American team look like a bunch of bickering losers with no leadership (which it seems that they were). And that's why Phil is getting all the flak he is receiving right now.

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Mickelson is not taking flak, Watson is.
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Mickelson is not taking flak, Watson is.
Not from what I watched last night on the GC (pretty much every one of their commentators ripped Phil) and from what I've read today (there is a lot more where that Posnanski article came from). After Phil's unnecessary public rant in the aftermath of a loss, Watson is now coming off as the sympathetic one of the two.
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