Chiefs Patrick Mahomes Might Force Chiefs Hand In 2017 - Page 2

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2017, 12:10 PM

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/s...-hand-in-2017/

Patrick Mahomes might force Chiefs hand in 2017

The much-lamented quarterback class of 2017 is looking pretty good all of a sudden. Mitchell Trubisky is pushing the Bears decision-making process as much as John Fox can be pushed, Deshaun Watson is going to make Bill O'Brien at least think about his Week 1 status and, most interestingly, Patrick Mahomes has found himself in a perfect situation and is turning heads early.
Do you love Mahomes and consider him the most upside-riddled quarterback of this draft class? Congratulations! You are not actually a special snowflake. Everyone does. Mahomes has a cannon. It's unfair for Alex Smith, a genuinely nice human being who is an average-to-above average quarterback, that he finds himself once again squaring off against a young physical marvel on the depth chart. The good news for Smith is he looks really good this preseason. The bad news is so does Mahomes. Before we get to that, though, how much pressure can this guy actually put on Andy Reid? History tells us there is a good deal Mahomes could do to press Reid into playing him.

Reid waited a while to hand the starting job to the the first quarterback he ever drafted, Donovan McNabb, after taking the Syracuse product No. 2 overall in 1999. And when he finally did, in Week 10, the Eagles were out of the playoff race, sitting at 2-7. After letting McNab take his lumps in a relief role, it was time to see what the highly-drafted rookie had to offer as a full-time starter. McNabb got a rough welcome to the NFL when he made his NFL debut against the Bucs in Week 2, getting sacked six times by the eventual NFC Central champions (remember that this Bucs team was the basis for the eventual Super Bowl championship defense). In a fun twist of fate, the guy McNabb replaced as the starter was Doug Pederson, who is the current Eagles coach and former offensive coordinator for Alex Smith.

Andy Reid waited until Week 10 of Donovan McNabb's rookie season before naming him the starter. Two years later, Reid selected A.J. Feeley in the fifth round of the 2001 NFL Draft. That's not notable for Feeley being a guy who might have taken playing time, but he is another quarterback in a long list of Reid protégés who ended up being traded for a high draft pick. The point being, when Andy Reid latches onto a quarterback in the draft, people take notice. Reid went a long time between taking McNabb early and grabbing another quarterback. Again, notable. If Reid is spending high draft capital on a quarterback, there should be a belief he can win with said quarterback for a long time. He also probably thinks that quarterback is capable of winning and/or playing early. Patrick Mahomes was the 12th player drafted.

Kevin Kolb was the second quarterback taken by Reid with a high pick in his Eagles tenure. Kolb was taken out of Houston with a second-round pick in 2007 (the Eagles actually traded down out of the first round with the Cowboys who took Anthony Spencer). He didn't replace McNabb immediately, but Kolb is also a clear-cut historical marker in terms of Reid making sure he has quarterback insurance. McNabb was battling injuries during that stretch, coming off the Super Bowl loss to the Patriots, and would be gone after 2009.

That year featured a storm of controversy, too, with Michael Vick and Kolb nipping on McNabb's heels for playing time. Ultimately it was McNabb's team, but with Vick and Kolb on the roster, there were plenty of people chirping to see the other options. The backup quarterback is always the most popular guy in town, and that's been the case for Andy Reid's teams in the past.
Vick and Kolb ran the team in 2010 after McNabb left and then Kolb was traded. The "Dream Team" of 2011 followed, but it wouldn't be long before a draft pick caused trouble on the roster again. Nick Foles, taken in the third round of the 2012 NFL Draft, was firmly entrenched in Reid-style controversy within his first year. Foles started six games for Reid in 2012 and that led to serious concern about who should start in 2013, when Foles went 8-2 as a starter under Chip Kelly.

Ultimately what you see from Reid is a history of high draft picks playing early. McNabb was under center three quarters of the way through the season in his rookie year. Kolb was held at bay, but McNabb aged better than Reid expected and it still ended in McNabb being dealt to the Redskins. The Michael Vick thing was a different animal. Er, situation. Foles played quickly, starting multiple games his first year. Which brings us back to Mahomes, who has looked just absolutely tools-y this preseason. Mahomes, who played in Kliff Kingsbury's system at Texas Tech, is going to require some refinement. But he has everything you would want to see in a quarterback from a physical perspective. If you buy into Reid developing quarterbacks -- and why wouldn't you? -- Mahomes is a fascinating prospect. He has underrated speed and is strong enough too take hits and still make throws.

Mahomes is faster and stronger than just about everyone on the field. As a quarterback that is an undeniable advantage. He can shrug off blitzers but he can also deftly evade people coming at him on the rush. And if he needs to, Mahomes can whip a quick throw on short notice. All that is well and good, but the downside of Mahomes is he's not harnessed right now either. He can be, and it's easy to see Reid figuring out how. Mahomes might be a stronger, slightly slower, more twitchy version of McNabb with a better arm. Alex Smith is on notice, although he knew that coming into the preseason. The guess here, two weeks into the season, is that Smith won't lose his job as long as the Chiefs are winning.

If Kansas City falters or the offense looks flat, don't be surprised to see Mahomes. Reid's history makes it clear he is willing to run with a young talent he trusted in the draft. He believes in his quarterback development almost as much as he believes in his talent evaluation. Maybe more.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2017, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I totally agree. What if Alex Smith starts to struggle and starts reverting to his old ways like last year and our offense stalls. Do you make the switch then?

The Chiefs were still 12-4 last year, even though Alex had a poor year and Houston only played in a few games.

Andy's never had an itchy trigger finger so it'll either take multiple missed games by Smith and an impressive run by Mahomes for Reid to make the switch permanent, neither of which can be accurately predicted.

This isn't Smith's job to lose: He's the starter this year.

rico · 08-21-2017, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I bolded that part because it was so freaking dumb and wrong

I was wondering if that's why you bolded it.

**mdchiefsfan** · 08-21-2017, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I totally agree. What if Alex Smith starts to struggle and starts reverting to his old ways like last year and our offense stalls. Do you make the switch then?

This is what I fear. I can understand letting Smith know that mistakes are tolerable, but where the line to sit him exists, is blurry.

RunKC · 08-21-2017, 12:31 PM

Good. We need Alex to be fearful for his job. Competition has already brought out a different looking QB so far.

He should play his best ball this year.

BryanBusby · 08-21-2017, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I bolded that part because it was so freaking dumb and wrong

We must be in the folklore stage of the Mahomes hype.

Next article will talk about how he saved a bus full of nuns from dying because he got the extended TV package at the ATT store.

Marcellus · 08-21-2017, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I bolded that part because it was so freaking dumb and wrong

Jesus I absolutely love the kid but its impossible to take an article like that serious with such nonsense in it.

ModSocks · 08-21-2017, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Jesus I absolutely love the kid but its impossible to take an article like that serious with such nonsense in it.

Just kick back and enjoy the hype. Been a long time since we've had a Qb that the national media gushes over.

Rasputin · 08-21-2017, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

This is what I fear. I can understand letting Smith know that mistakes are tolerable, but where the line to sit him exists, is blurry.

Ya again this is where Alex Smith holds us back from being a great team. He plays it safe to keep his job and counts on the defense and special teams to do all the work. It works when your defense gives you a short field and all you have to do is drive 30 yards for a field goal and now and then a big play to score a touchdown but that touchdown usually comes from ST kick return or a pick 6. So Alex has it made in the shade to keep his job.

**Ming the Merciless** · 08-21-2017, 01:01 PM

if he continues to light it up, and alex falters in any way...and the chiefs are in the hunt...

it could make for that perfect storm where we hand him the ball in the second half of a game around week 10 or something...and see what happens

Rasputin · 08-21-2017, 01:11 PM

I think they will find ways to get Patrick on the field even if it is some trickery play against the Donkies on a Monday Night. Andy Reid loves doing those kinds of things.

**cabletech94** · 08-21-2017, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Just kick back and enjoy the hype. Been a long time since we've had a Qb that the national media gushes over.

Every. Bit. Of. This.

PAChiefsGuy · 08-21-2017, 01:26 PM

I think Andy Reid has made it very clear Alex is the Chiefs starting QB for this season. Period.

Andy Reid shot down any speculation that rookie Patrick Mahomes II might challenge Alex Smith to be the Chiefs starting quarterback. "It's Alex's job," Reid said. "That's how we're doing it. The next question is you come back and say, 'What if Alex gets hurt?' I would never say (Mahomes) can't do something but I would tell you in this case it's Alex's job. There's no gray area with that."

ARROW2 · 08-21-2017, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I think Andy Reid has made it very clear Alex is the Chiefs starting QB for this season. Period.

Andy Reid shot down any speculation that rookie Patrick Mahomes II might challenge Alex Smith to be the Chiefs starting quarterback. "It's Alex's job," Reid said. "That's how we're doing it. The next question is you come back and say, 'What if Alex gets hurt?' I would never say (Mahomes) can't do something but I would tell you in this case it's Alex's job. There's no gray area with that."

coach speak. he knows Mahomes is the shit. If you like seeing a bunch of Santos FGs, enjoy Smith.

Frazod · 08-21-2017, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ARROW2

coach speak. he knows Mahomes is the shit. If you like seeing a bunch of Santos FGs, enjoy Smith.

Agreed. What's Reid supposed to say - make me an offer?

Mile High Mania · 08-21-2017, 01:41 PM

It's gonna be fun in week 3 of the season...

08-21-2017, 12:10 PM
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Patrick Mahomes Might Force Chiefs Hand In 2017 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/s...-hand-in-2017/ Patrick Mahomes might force Chiefs hand in 2017 The much-lamented quarterback class of 2017 is looking pretty good all of a sudden. Mitchell Trubisky is pushing the Bears decision-making process as much as John Fox can be pushed, Deshaun Watson is going to make Bill O'Brien at least think about his Week 1 status and, most interestingly, Patrick Mahomes has found himself in a perfect situation and is turning heads early. Do you love Mahomes and consider him the most upside-riddled quarterback of this draft class? Congratulations! You are not actually a special snowflake. Everyone does. Mahomes has a cannon. It's unfair for Alex Smith, a genuinely nice human being who is an average-to-above average quarterback, that he finds himself once again squaring off against a young physical marvel on the depth chart. The good news for Smith is he looks really good this preseason. The bad news is so does Mahomes. Before we get to that, though, how much pressure can this guy actually put on Andy Reid? History tells us there is a good deal Mahomes could do to press Reid into playing him. Reid waited a while to hand the starting job to the the first quarterback he ever drafted, Donovan McNabb, after taking the Syracuse product No. 2 overall in 1999. And when he finally did, in Week 10, the Eagles were out of the playoff race, sitting at 2-7. After letting McNab take his lumps in a relief role, it was time to see what the highly-drafted rookie had to offer as a full-time starter. McNabb got a rough welcome to the NFL when he made his NFL debut against the Bucs in Week 2, getting sacked six times by the eventual NFC Central champions (remember that this Bucs team was the basis for the eventual Super Bowl championship defense). In a fun twist of fate, the guy McNabb replaced as the starter was Doug Pederson, who is the current Eagles coach and former offensive coordinator for Alex Smith. Andy Reid waited until Week 10 of Donovan McNabb's rookie season before naming him the starter. Two years later, Reid selected A.J. Feeley in the fifth round of the 2001 NFL Draft. That's not notable for Feeley being a guy who might have taken playing time, but he is another quarterback in a long list of Reid protégés who ended up being traded for a high draft pick. The point being, when Andy Reid latches onto a quarterback in the draft, people take notice. Reid went a long time between taking McNabb early and grabbing another quarterback. Again, notable. If Reid is spending high draft capital on a quarterback, there should be a belief he can win with said quarterback for a long time. He also probably thinks that quarterback is capable of winning and/or playing early. Patrick Mahomes was the 12th player drafted. Kevin Kolb was the second quarterback taken by Reid with a high pick in his Eagles tenure. Kolb was taken out of Houston with a second-round pick in 2007 (the Eagles actually traded down out of the first round with the Cowboys who took Anthony Spencer). He didn't replace McNabb immediately, but Kolb is also a clear-cut historical marker in terms of Reid making sure he has quarterback insurance. McNabb was battling injuries during that stretch, coming off the Super Bowl loss to the Patriots, and would be gone after 2009. That year featured a storm of controversy, too, with Michael Vick and Kolb nipping on McNabb's heels for playing time. Ultimately it was McNabb's team, but with Vick and Kolb on the roster, there were plenty of people chirping to see the other options. The backup quarterback is always the most popular guy in town, and that's been the case for Andy Reid's teams in the past. Vick and Kolb ran the team in 2010 after McNabb left and then Kolb was traded. The "Dream Team" of 2011 followed, but it wouldn't be long before a draft pick caused trouble on the roster again. Nick Foles, taken in the third round of the 2012 NFL Draft, was firmly entrenched in Reid-style controversy within his first year. Foles started six games for Reid in 2012 and that led to serious concern about who should start in 2013, when Foles went 8-2 as a starter under Chip Kelly. Ultimately what you see from Reid is a history of high draft picks playing early. McNabb was under center three quarters of the way through the season in his rookie year. Kolb was held at bay, but McNabb aged better than Reid expected and it still ended in McNabb being dealt to the Redskins. The Michael Vick thing was a different animal. Er, situation. Foles played quickly, starting multiple games his first year. Which brings us back to Mahomes, who has looked just absolutely tools-y this preseason. Mahomes, who played in Kliff Kingsbury's system at Texas Tech, is going to require some refinement. But he has everything you would want to see in a quarterback from a physical perspective. If you buy into Reid developing quarterbacks -- and why wouldn't you? -- Mahomes is a fascinating prospect. He has underrated speed and is strong enough too take hits and still make throws. Mahomes is faster and stronger than just about everyone on the field. As a quarterback that is an undeniable advantage. He can shrug off blitzers but he can also deftly evade people coming at him on the rush. And if he needs to, Mahomes can whip a quick throw on short notice. All that is well and good, but the downside of Mahomes is he's not harnessed right now either. He can be, and it's easy to see Reid figuring out how. Mahomes might be a stronger, slightly slower, more twitchy version of McNabb with a better arm. Alex Smith is on notice, although he knew that coming into the preseason. The guess here, two weeks into the season, is that Smith won't lose his job as long as the Chiefs are winning. If Kansas City falters or the offense looks flat, don't be surprised to see Mahomes. Reid's history makes it clear he is willing to run with a young talent he trusted in the draft. He believes in his quarterback development almost as much as he believes in his talent evaluation. Maybe more.
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