Cardinals 2018 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 186

**BigRedChief** · 02:21 PM

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018

Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

VAChief · 08-09-2018, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The 04 Cards had the 4th best offense/speed/def (fWAR) in Cards history. 1985 was 3rd.

The 04 Cards had the 6th best offense + pitching. 1985 was 4th.

Net: Whitey's 1985 club was better at both facets.

Those are good years to compare. 1985 pisses me off similarly as 2004. Both years, we had really exceptional regular season and our best players at their peaks or near it.

1985 and the duels with the Mets down the stretch were some epic contests. 1985 might have been payback for winning in 1982 with probably an inferior team to the Brewers.

**BigRedChief** · 08-09-2018, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief

Those are good years to compare. 1985 pisses me off similarly as 2004. Both years, we had really exceptional regular season and our best players at their peaks or near it.

1985 and the duels with the Mets down the stretch were some epic contests. 1985 might have been payback for winning in 1982 with probably an inferior team to the Brewers.

I thought after Pujols crushed that Lidge pitch into the stratosphere instead of the Astros celebrating going to a WS, We were going to win the WS in 2005. Going home for games 6&7. One of the top talented teams we have had at their peak form....seemed like destiny.

DJ's left nut · 08-09-2018, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I thought after Pujols crushed that Lidge pitch into the stratosphere instead of the Astros celebrating going to a WS, We were going to win the WS in 2005. Going home for games 6&7. One of the top talented teams we have had at their peak form....seemed like destiny.

Mark. Mulder.

God I hate him...

Prison Bitch · 08-09-2018, 01:57 PM

Cards trivia: according to Fangraphs which Cards team (118 year franchise history) created the most runs defensively? And which destroyed the most offensively?

(You can kill 2 cardinals with 1 stone here, it was the same team)

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-09-2018, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Cards trivia: according to Fangraphs which Cards team (118 year franchise history) created the most runs defensively? And which destroyed the most offensively?

(You can kill 2 cardinals with 1 stone here, it was the same team)

Given that their defensive metrics only go back so far, I would guess 2004.

Prison Bitch · 08-09-2018, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Given that their defensive metrics only go back so far, I would guess 2004.

Detailed def metrics go back then, but they calc summary metrics for all time.

And by offense "destroyed" I mean, the worst runs created relative to league. 04 created the 4th most by a Cards team and they also were excellent defensively

Marcellus · 08-09-2018, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Detailed def metrics go back then, but they calc summary metrics for all time.

And by offense "destroyed" I mean, the worst runs created relative to league. 04 created the 4th most by a Cards team and they also were excellent defensively

In that case its last years.

Prison Bitch · 08-09-2018, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

In that case its last years.

No

It was a Whitey team.

**BigRedChief** · 08-09-2018, 04:40 PM

Mozeliak’s bullpen makeover is a dramatic success.

In 13 games since the maneuvering ended, Cardinals relievers have a 1.34 ERA. That’s the best in the NL and second in the majors to Oakland (1.13) since July 27. The Cardinals are 9-4 after reinforcing the weakest part of the team and turning it into a steady, sturdy asset.

The remodeling was basically a three-stage process.

First, the Cardinals designated two terrible relievers for asspignment (righty Greg Holland, lefty Tyler Lyons) and placed a third (left-hander Brett Cecil) on the disabled list.

In phase two, rookies Austin Gomber (a lefty), Daniel Poncedeleon and Dakota Hudson were promoted from Triple-A Memphis and given bullpen jobs. Another rookie, lefty Tyler Webb, had been picked up from the Padres on a waiver claim. After demonstrating his talent for a while at Memphis, Webb was summoned to St. Louis to join the build-a-better-bullpen movement.

Third, the Cardinals traded Triple-A first baseman Luke Voit and international bonus money to the Yankees for left-handed reliever Chasen Shreve and right-handed reliever Giovanny Gallegos. Shreve immediately joined the St. Louis bullpen, and Gallegos reported to Memphis.

The fresh arms have made a difference, teaming with Bud Norris, Jordan Hicks and Mike Mayers, the three most reliable relievers that have worked out of the Cardinals’ bullpen all season.

Over the last two weeks, Cards’ relievers have allowed an opponents’ batting average of .170 , an on-base percentage of .243 and a slugging percentage of .261.

In the 15 games before Mozeliak’s massive reform, the worn St. Louis bullpen had been battered for a .356 average, .442 OBP and .522 slugging.

The six rookies have combined to pitch 32 2/3 of the 47 bullpen innings since July 27, allowing only four earned runs for a 1.10 ERA. Hudson hasn’t given up an earned run in his first 8 2/3 big-league innings.
——————————————
From Bernie’s column on the Athletic.

Marcellus · 08-09-2018, 05:54 PM

If only they had taken this much cheaper younger approach earlier.

**BigRedChief** · 08-09-2018, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

If only they had taken this much cheaper younger approach earlier.

then maybe they would have kept Meathead?

Frazod · 08-09-2018, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

then maybe they would have kept Meathead?

If only they'd fired his ass earlier.

God I hate it when some so obvious, necessary and inevitable takes ****ing forever to happen.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-09-2018, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Detailed def metrics go back then, but they calc summary metrics for all time.

And by offense "destroyed" I mean, the worst runs created relative to league. 04 created the 4th most by a Cards team and they also were excellent defensively

Ahh, so an aggressively shitty team. Probably one of the teams in the late 70's or early 90's, I'd guess.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-09-2018, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Mozeliak’s bullpen makeover is a dramatic success.

In 13 games since the maneuvering ended, Cardinals relievers have a 1.34 ERA. That’s the best in the NL and second in the majors to Oakland (1.13) since July 27. The Cardinals are 9-4 after reinforcing the weakest part of the team and turning it into a steady, sturdy asset.

The remodeling was basically a three-stage process.

First, the Cardinals designated two terrible relievers for asspignment (righty Greg Holland, lefty Tyler Lyons) and placed a third (left-hander Brett Cecil) on the disabled list.

In phase two, rookies Austin Gomber (a lefty), Daniel Poncedeleon and Dakota Hudson were promoted from Triple-A Memphis and given bullpen jobs. Another rookie, lefty Tyler Webb, had been picked up from the Padres on a waiver claim. After demonstrating his talent for a while at Memphis, Webb was summoned to St. Louis to join the build-a-better-bullpen movement.

Third, the Cardinals traded Triple-A first baseman Luke Voit and international bonus money to the Yankees for left-handed reliever Chasen Shreve and right-handed reliever Giovanny Gallegos. Shreve immediately joined the St. Louis bullpen, and Gallegos reported to Memphis.

The fresh arms have made a difference, teaming with Bud Norris, Jordan Hicks and Mike Mayers, the three most reliable relievers that have worked out of the Cardinals’ bullpen all season.

Over the last two weeks, Cards’ relievers have allowed an opponents’ batting average of .170 , an on-base percentage of .243 and a slugging percentage of .261.

In the 15 games before Mozeliak’s massive reform, the worn St. Louis bullpen had been battered for a .356 average, .442 OBP and .522 slugging.

The six rookies have combined to pitch 32 2/3 of the 47 bullpen innings since July 27, allowing only four earned runs for a 1.10 ERA. Hudson hasn’t given up an earned run in his first 8 2/3 big-league innings.
——————————————
From Bernie’s column on the Athletic.

It's what I've argued that the Cardinals do for years. The best relievers are repurposed starters. I've said it over and over again. Look at what the Astros have done this year. They've taken guys like Colin McHugh and Brad Peacock, who were shitty starting pitchers, and turned them into excellent relief pitchers. The Royals did it by accident with Davis and Hochevar after they failed miserably in the rotation. The Cardinals have done something similar with players earlier in their development. Guys like Gomber, Poncedeleon, and Hudson all profile to the back end of a rotation, but when they can blow it out for an inning or two, their stuff plays better. Hell, look at the difference between Mayers in the pen compared to starting. Eventually, one or two of them will have more value in the rotation, but as long as they have velocity and good control, they're usable for an inning or two, which is a damned sight better than paying $26 million per year to Cecil, Gregerson, and Holland, The Three ****sketeers.

**BigRedChief** · 08-09-2018, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod

If only they'd fired his ass earlier.

God I hate it when some so obvious, necessary and inevitable takes ****ing forever to happen.

should have fired him years ago. Way too stubborn. At least he’s fired now. Hell, I thought they’d fire him in the off season.

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3229627 VARSITY	Mozeliak’s bullpen makeover is a dramatic success. In 13 games since the maneuvering ended, Cardinals relievers have a 1.34 ERA. That’s the best in the NL and second in the majors to Oakland (1.13) since July 27. The Cardinals are 9-4 after reinforcing the weakest part of the team and turning it into a steady, sturdy asset. The remodeling was basically a three-stage process. First, the Cardinals designated two terrible relievers for asspignment (righty Greg Holland, lefty Tyler Lyons) and placed a third (left-hander Brett Cecil) on the disabled list. In phase two, rookies Austin Gomber (a lefty), Daniel Poncedeleon and Dakota Hudson were promoted from Triple-A Memphis and given bullpen jobs. Another rookie, lefty Tyler Webb, had been picked up from the Padres on a waiver claim. After demonstrating his talent for a while at Memphis, Webb was summoned to St. Louis to join the build-a-better-bullpen movement. Third, the Cardinals traded Triple-A first baseman Luke Voit and international bonus money to the Yankees for left-handed reliever Chasen Shreve and right-handed reliever Giovanny Gallegos. Shreve immediately joined the St. Louis bullpen, and Gallegos reported to Memphis. The fresh arms have made a difference, teaming with Bud Norris, Jordan Hicks and Mike Mayers, the three most reliable relievers that have worked out of the Cardinals’ bullpen all season. Over the last two weeks, Cards’ relievers have allowed an opponents’ batting average of .170 , an on-base percentage of .243 and a slugging percentage of .261. In the 15 games before Mozeliak’s massive reform, the worn St. Louis bullpen had been battered for a .356 average, .442 OBP and .522 slugging. The six rookies have combined to pitch 32 2/3 of the 47 bullpen innings since July 27, allowing only four earned runs for a 1.10 ERA. Hudson hasn’t given up an earned run in his first 8 2/3 big-league innings. —————————————— From Bernie’s column on the Athletic. __________________ Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. -YODA Last edited by BigRedChief; 08-09-2018 at 04:47 PM..
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