Home and Auto Home Equity loans

**The Bad Guy** · 07-21-2017, 09:03 AM

I'm researching the pros and cons of a home equity loan. We built our house in 2011 and put off finishing the basement and some other small projects because we had several bumps in the road that ended up costing more to finish the house.

We have built up some solid equity in the home and using that line seems to be the best way to go to finishing the basement and paying off a student loan.

I'm seeing around 4.15% at the bank I have my mortgage through.

What are some of the drawbacks that I have no idea about with these types of loans?

Thanks in advance for any guidance.

**Rain Man** · 07-21-2017, 09:10 AM

As long as you use them for a specific purpose and pay them off religiously, they're better than getting a regular loan because you can write off the interest. But in my opinion, they should be used for a particular "project" and not on consumer purchases. I used them to do the rehab of my house when I bought it, and I thought that was a good purpose for it. If you get one and buy a bunch of stuff and default, your house gets auctioned off to some other happy family.

As opposed to a home equity loan, though, I'd recommend a HELOC (Home Equity Line of Credit). If you get one of those, you don't have to have an approval process to borrow against it. You just pay it up and down as you need it. Since it's a secured line of credit (using your house as collateral), the interest rates tend to be quite low in addition to being deductible.

Amnorix · 07-21-2017, 09:14 AM

I agree with Rain Man 100%, but want to re-emphasize the point -- how much self control do you have? A HELOC is great for giving you financial flexibility, and using it to make improvements to your house is terrific! You can also use it to, fo rexample, finance buying a car using a loan that can be deducted on your tax returns and will have a MUCH lower rate than a car loan.

BUT can you make sure you DON"T use it to fund that vacation to Tahiti you always dreamed of? No trips to the f'n casino. No "well, I would've bought a used Prius, but with this line of credit, it's 'cedes or nothing BABY!"

Definitely get the HELOC if you have self-control.

**The Franchise** · 07-21-2017, 09:20 AM

Definitely go with a HELOC.

**The Bad Guy** · 07-21-2017, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

As long as you use them for a specific purpose and pay them off religiously, they're better than getting a regular loan because you can write off the interest. But in my opinion, they should be used for a particular "project" and not on consumer purchases. I used them to do the rehab of my house when I bought it, and I thought that was a good purpose for it. If you get one and buy a bunch of stuff and default, your house gets auctioned off to some other happy family.

As opposed to a home equity loan, though, I'd recommend a HELOC (Home Equity Line of Credit). If you get one of those, you don't have to have an approval process to borrow against it. You just pay it up and down as you need it. Since it's a secured line of credit (using your house as collateral), the interest rates tend to be quite low in addition to being deductible.

What I'm looking at would add about 300 dollars a month for a 10 year home equity loan. Main purpose is to finish basement which a ballpark cost is going to be around 20k and then pay off the students loans the wife and I currently have which is around another 20k. I'm paying well over 300 right now on those loans so the payment isn't the issue.

I didn't realize there was an approval process though. So with finishing the basement, I will need to have the plans and the estimates before they would give me the money?

BlackHelicopters · 07-21-2017, 09:21 AM

You will have, in essence, two mortgages . Are you in the financial shape to add another MONTHLY payment into your budget. You are risking your house. Think twice, no three times, before entering into a contract such as this. Only my $.02.

**The Bad Guy** · 07-21-2017, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

I agree with Rain Man 100%, but want to re-emphasize the point -- how much self control do you have? A HELOC is great for giving you financial flexibility, and using it to make improvements to your house is terrific! You can also use it to, fo rexample, finance buying a car using a loan that can be deducted on your tax returns and will have a MUCH lower rate than a car loan.

BUT can you make sure you DON"T use it to fund that vacation to Tahiti you always dreamed of? No trips to the f'n casino. No "well, I would've bought a used Prius, but with this line of credit, it's 'cedes or nothing BABY!"

Definitely get the HELOC if you have self-control.

I'm pretty self controlled. Don't go to the casino, don't gamble on sports, and while we are taking a trip to Disney in October, that's paid for.

**The Bad Guy** · 07-21-2017, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

You will have, in essence, two mortgages . Are you in the financial shape to add another MONTHLY payment into your budget. You are risking your house. Think twice, no three times, before entering into a contract such as this. Only my $.02.

Yes, I am. My loan payments are more than the equity line of credit would be so it won't be any strain financially and I'd have a basement for the kids and the loans paid off.

BlackHelicopters · 07-21-2017, 09:32 AM

The interest deduction is the only advantage, but a huge one. When I started my business in 1991, I had a HELOC. HUGE help. Paid off disgusting student loans. A $ 250,000 adventure. The student loan interest deduction was eliminated in 1987 or 1988, just as I was entering graduate school. Sucks.

Amnorix · 07-21-2017, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What I'm looking at would add about 300 dollars a month for a 10 year home equity loan. Main purpose is to finish basement which a ballpark cost is going to be around 20k and then pay off the students loans the wife and I currently have which is around another 20k. I'm paying well over 300 right now on those loans so the payment isn't the issue.

I didn't realize there was an approval process though. So with finishing the basement, I will need to have the plans and the estimates before they would give me the money?

It depends. If they consider it a construction loan, then yes. Which is a total PITA and you shoudl avoid if possible. If you have enough equity in the house to tap another $40K then they shouldn't consider it as a construction loan and you should be able to just take it.

If you go HELOC, as long as you have the equity to tap, they won't care about what you use it for. In fact, many people have the HELOC just "in case" and don't tap it at all. They aren't concerned about what you use it for.

Amnorix · 07-21-2017, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Yes, I am. My loan payments are more than the equity line of credit would be so it won't be any strain financially and I'd have a basement for the kids and the loans paid off.

Keep in mind with HELOC:

1. You can pay it down faster if you want, which might not be a bad idea.

2. interest rate will fluctuate. We've been in a low interest-rate environment for so long it's hard to remember, but it's possible that rates climb in the future. Just saying.

seaofred · 07-21-2017, 09:48 AM

Diff. go with the HELOC. Their is still an approval process to get the HELOC (House apraised, etc), but it's much better option as you can write off the interest on your taxes as was said previously.

**Bugeater** · 07-21-2017, 09:48 AM

We went with a HELOC to cover some of the costs of our kitchen remodel. I like it better than a traditional loan because I wasn't 100% sure what we'd ultimately spend and I didn't want to borrow way more or less than we ended up needing. Plus as we pay it off we can simply move on to other improvements to the house without going to through the approval process again.

**Bugeater** · 07-21-2017, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What I'm looking at would add about 300 dollars a month for a 10 year home equity loan. Main purpose is to finish basement which a ballpark cost is going to be around 20k and then pay off the students loans the wife and I currently have which is around another 20k. I'm paying well over 300 right now on those loans so the payment isn't the issue.

I didn't realize there was an approval process though. So with finishing the basement, I will need to have the plans and the estimates before they would give me the money?

No, they will just appraise your house to make sure you have the necessary equity to back the loan.

**The Franchise** · 07-21-2017, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

We went with a HELOC to cover some of the costs of our kitchen remodel. I like it better than a traditional loan because I wasn't 100% sure what we'd ultimately spend and I didn't want to borrow way more or less than we ended up needing. Plus as we pay it off we can simply move on to other improvements to the house without going to through the approval process again.

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Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3348491 VARSITY	As long as you use them for a specific purpose and pay them off religiously, they're better than getting a regular loan because you can write off the interest. But in my opinion, they should be used for a particular "project" and not on consumer purchases. I used them to do the rehab of my house when I bought it, and I thought that was a good purpose for it. If you get one and buy a bunch of stuff and default, your house gets auctioned off to some other happy family. As opposed to a home equity loan, though, I'd recommend a HELOC (Home Equity Line of Credit). If you get one of those, you don't have to have an approval process to borrow against it. You just pay it up and down as you need it. Since it's a secured line of credit (using your house as collateral), the interest rates tend to be quite low in addition to being deductible. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	I agree with Rain Man 100%, but want to re-emphasize the point -- how much self control do you have? A HELOC is great for giving you financial flexibility, and using it to make improvements to your house is terrific! You can also use it to, fo rexample, finance buying a car using a loan that can be deducted on your tax returns and will have a MUCH lower rate than a car loan. BUT can you make sure you DON"T use it to fund that vacation to Tahiti you always dreamed of? No trips to the f'n casino. No "well, I would've bought a used Prius, but with this line of credit, it's 'cedes or nothing BABY!" Definitely get the HELOC if you have self-control. __________________ "I love signature blocks on the Internet. I get to put whatever the hell I want in quotes, pick a pretend author, and bang, it's like he really said it." George Washington
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BlackHelicopters Spiraling down the Drain Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Dante's Ninth Circle Casino cash: $2740588	You will have, in essence, two mortgages . Are you in the financial shape to add another MONTHLY payment into your budget. You are risking your house. Think twice, no three times, before entering into a contract such as this. Only my $.02. __________________ "We're both part of the same hypocrisy, Senator, but never think it applies to my family." "Fredo. You are my brother, and I love you. But never take sides against the Family again. Ever." 2019 Adopt a Chief - Travis Kelce #87
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BlackHelicopters Spiraling down the Drain Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Dante's Ninth Circle Casino cash: $2740588	The interest deduction is the only advantage, but a huge one. When I started my business in 1991, I had a HELOC. HUGE help. Paid off disgusting student loans. A $ 250,000 adventure. The student loan interest deduction was eliminated in 1987 or 1988, just as I was entering graduate school. Sucks. __________________ "We're both part of the same hypocrisy, Senator, but never think it applies to my family." "Fredo. You are my brother, and I love you. But never take sides against the Family again. Ever." 2019 Adopt a Chief - Travis Kelce #87
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Bugeater The Maintenance Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Renovated Bugeater Estate Casino cash: $6252680	We went with a HELOC to cover some of the costs of our kitchen remodel. I like it better than a traditional loan because I wasn't 100% sure what we'd ultimately spend and I didn't want to borrow way more or less than we ended up needing. Plus as we pay it off we can simply move on to other improvements to the house without going to through the approval process again.
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