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Old 04-17-2018, 06:31 AM  
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Alex Jones sued for defamation by a pair of Sandy Hook parents

For more than one million each. A lot of lawsuits have been filed against Alex Jones lately. Source - HuffPost
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Old 05-25-2018, 05:27 PM   #166
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I'm surprised to hear you say that Scho. In a country with free speech you have to take the good with the bad

you have free speech to a degree (as is born out by common law and other laws), but slander and libel isn't free speech...(among other things like yelling BOMB in an airport)


you cant go around just flat out saying things that arent true that cause others harm, when you know its a lie
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Old 05-25-2018, 06:33 PM   #167
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you have free speech to a degree (as is born out by common law and other laws), but slander and libel isn't free speech...(among other things like yelling BOMB in an airport)


you cant go around just flat out saying things that arent true that cause others harm, when you know its a lie
So why is CNN still in business, they lie about Trump 24x7 and it's hurting America.
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Old 05-25-2018, 08:36 PM   #168
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you have free speech to a degree (as is born out by common law and other laws), but slander and libel isn't free speech...(among other things like yelling BOMB in an airport)


you cant go around just flat out saying things that arent true that cause others harm, when you know its a lie
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Old 05-25-2018, 08:47 PM   #169
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So why is CNN still in business, they lie about Trump 24x7 and it's hurting America.
There are plenty of examples of news organizations or media getting sued when they report false things, and fail to retract them.
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Old 05-25-2018, 08:50 PM   #170
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Isnt duke getting sued for mishandling this?
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Old 05-25-2018, 09:53 PM   #171
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you have free speech to a degree (as is born out by common law and other laws), but slander and libel isn't free speech...(among other things like yelling BOMB in an airport)
NOPE. You exaggerate. We don't have it to a degree — especially when it comes to political speech. You sound like a leftist with this argument, infringing another right.
If the First Amendment goes, so do all the other rights.

There are only a few exceptions to free speech, because they conflict with another right. In the case of libel and slander, these also have to fulfill requirements for damages too. It can't just be a falsehood. But you act like it's some sort of wholesale gradient scale or that it's all relative. You're more dangerous imo.


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Cept you DON'T know if what was said was knowingly a lie, particularly in a political context. There has to be malice and there also has to be real damages—not just hurt feelings.

Libel and slander cases are tough when it comes to any kind of press or journalism.

Based on your reasoning, a lot of politicians and newspapers would be sued for lying.
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Old 05-25-2018, 11:00 PM   #172
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, but slander and libel isn't free speech...(among other things like yelling BOMB in an airport)
I hope you mean falsely yelling a BOMB is an airport, because I would want to know when something like that is true. Do you actually think a court would convict you if that were true and people's lives were spared by getting out of there?

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Old 05-26-2018, 02:47 AM   #173
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Yes , we all DO know that alex jones knew he was lying when he said sandy hook was fake.

And yes, if you see a real bomb at an airport, you can yell bomb....lol

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Old 05-26-2018, 08:09 AM   #174
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Yes , we all DO know that alex jones knew he was lying when he said sandy hook was fake.
No you don't. That's an assumption and you don't speak for "all." They have to prove that in court against a man who is a known conspiracy theorist who believes in false flags. It's still not enough. The parents also have to prove damages to their reputations. I think it hurts the reputation of Jones and creates sympathy for these parents, just seeing reactions in this thread regarding Jone's.

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BTW found out last night that the "fire" precedent was overturned due to another case.
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Old 05-26-2018, 05:51 PM   #175
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No you don't. That's an assumption and you don't speak for "all."



a fact is a fact , for all


it wasnt fake


therefore alex jones knows its not fake...AND...he has been repeatedly warned to stop saying it was fake.


I'll tell you what, when the families and law enforcement win this lawsuit, I will bump this thread with alex jone's admission that he was wrong and retraction of this being fake..


will an admission and retraction by jones (which is coming) be enough for you? How about a jury finding him liable for being a bullshit artist?


what exactly will be enough evidence for you that aslex jones is a lying sack of shit? I mean other than the fact that anyone with eyes and half a brain knows this wasn't faked...


wait..


do you think this was fake too?
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Old 05-28-2018, 09:42 AM   #176
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I'm surprised to hear you say that Scho. In a country with free speech you have to take the good with the bad or it won't be free for long.

This is Soros/left-wing tactic, otherwise the families would have sued years ago. They're just going after low-hanging fruit first.

I hope the cases get dismissed to protect freedom of the press.
Saying completely stupid and fake shit to gain an audience and malign or hurt people who've been killed crosses a line for me. To say that Sandy Hook was fake is really repulsive.

I give Free Speech a very wide path, as it rightly deserves but he keeps repeating this lie and slandering many so our system allows for lawsuits.

Let a judge decide if he has moved outside the limits of Free Speech into slander and libel.
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No you don't. That's an assumption and you don't speak for "all." They have to prove that in court against a man who is a known conspiracy theorist who believes in false flags. It's still not enough. The parents also have to prove damages to their reputations. I think it hurts the reputation of Jones and creates sympathy for these parents, just seeing reactions in this thread regarding Jone's.



BTW found out last night that the "fire" precedent was overturned due to another case.
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:15 PM   #178
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Saying completely stupid and fake shit to gain an audience and malign or hurt people who've been killed crosses a line for me. To say that Sandy Hook was fake is really repulsive.
It is. So is allowing Nazis to march publicly. Using your free speech to criticize is the proper route. Casting a chill over controversial stories is a dangerous precedent.

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I give Free Speech a very wide path, as it rightly deserves but he keeps repeating this lie and slandering many so our system allows for lawsuits.
It doesn't matter if you think it deserves it. That's not wide enough latitude. I don't think Melania and young Barron Trump deserve the falsehoods said about them repeatedly in the msm either. Slander and libel law has to meet certain standards, which you don't seem to understand. There are no damages here that I can see, except emotional reaction and hurt feelings. If anything the false statement by Jones hurts his reputation not the plaintiff's who have garnered sympathy due to the statements. Plus there are other criteria such as establishing malice as opposed to someone with a conspiratorial view about false flags. Then there's the matter of what was said exactly.

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Let a judge decide if he has moved outside the limits of Free Speech into slander and libel.
I disagree. However, a judge has to follow the law too, and this doesn't appear to meet the standard for a defamation suit—unless you can find a leftist judge, which you probably can in Austin. I've looked up the law on this and was in a situation myself using a lawyer. It's not enough or easy just because it's false.

If you go after offensive controversial speech, then you cast a chill over controversial stories. This is not what America is about and sets another damaging precedent when the First Amendment is already under attack by the left.

Here's something to think about. Sandy Hook happened in 2012 but these families are only bringing these cases 6 years later, in half-a-dozen separate lawsuits? I suspect Soros and other leftist billionaires and organizations are behind this since one of their plans has been to sue the right, as well as Trump's policies, Trump-allied people to exhaustion or to bankrupt them. In this particular case to bankrupt an independent alternative media source with multiple suits. It costs a lot of money to do these suits, so why now and where are each of these families getting this kind of money to sue, separately? Why not a class action suit for that group together? I think the pattern is pretty obvious. And I think you need to wake up. Attacks on a source you don't like just opens the door to more of this, while our 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th amendment rights are also being attacked and curtailed. It's just one part of what ails America in the globalist era.
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Have no idea what you're referring to.
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Two Sandy Hook parents have also tried to file a lawsuit against their town and school district. The case was thrown out-of-court.

http://www.courant.com/news/connecti...508-story.html
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