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Scientists find cosmic ripples from birth of universe

Scientists find cosmic ripples from birth of universe

Published March 17, 2014


Astronomers have discovered what they believe is the first direct evidence of the astonishing expansion of the universe in the instant following the Big Bang -- the scientific explanation for the birth of the universe some 13.8 billion years ago.

Scientists believe that the universe exploded from a tiny speck and hurled itself out in all directions in the fraction of a second that followed, beginning just 10 to the minus 35 seconds (roughly one trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second) after the universe's birth. Matter ultimately coalesced hundreds of millions of years later into planets, stars, and ultimately us.

And like ripples from a ball kicked into a pond, that Big Bang-fueled expansion caused ripples in the ancient light from that event, light which remains imprinted in the skies in a leftover glow called the cosmic microwave background.

Scientists still don’t know who kicked the ball.

But if confirmed, the newfound ripples would be amazing proof of what has long been mere theory about what happened in those first millionths of a second.

“The implications for this detection stagger the mind,” said Jamie Bock, professor of physics at Caltech, laboratory senior research scientist at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) and project co-leader. “We are measuring a signal that comes from the dawn of time.”

"It would be the most important discovery since the discovery, I think, that the expansion of the universe is accelerating," Harvard astronomer Avi Loeb, who is not a member of the study team, told Space.com. He compared the finding to a 1998 observation that opened the window on mysterious dark energy and won three researchers the 2011 Nobel Prize in physics.

The groundbreaking results came from observations by BICEP2, a telescope at the South Pole, of the cosmic microwave background -- a faint glow left over from the Big Bang.

Beginning a fraction of a fraction of a second after the universe's birth, according to the current theory, space-time expanded incredibly rapidly, ballooning outward faster than the speed of light. The afterglow from that expansion is called the cosmic microwave background, and tiny fluctuations in it provide clues to conditions in the early universe.

For example, small differences in temperature across the sky show where parts of the universe were denser, eventually condensing into galaxies and galactic clusters.

Since the cosmic microwave background is a form of light, it exhibits all the properties of light, including polarization. On Earth, sunlight is scattered by the atmosphere and becomes polarized, which is why polarized sunglasses help reduce glare. In space, the cosmic microwave background was scattered by atoms and electrons and became polarized too.

“Our team hunted for a special type of polarization called ‘B-modes,’ which represents a twisting or ‘curl’ pattern in the polarized orientations of the ancient light,” said Bock.

The team presented their work at a press conference Monda at Harvard -- the discovery of that characteristic pattern of polarization in the skies, which they called proof of the gravitational waves across the primordial sky.

“This work offers new insights into some of our most basic questions: Why do we exist? How did the universe begin? These results are not only a smoking gun for inflation, they also tell us when inflation took place and how powerful the process was,” Harvard theorist Avi Loeb said.
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Old 03-19-2014, 10:50 AM   #181
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Your proven lack of credibility is what prevents me from clicking any link you provided. The picture just proved that someone believes that man came from ape. I however do not.
I wait for facts to come in before jumping to conclusions.
Man didn't 'come from apes'.

They have a common ancestor.

Based on your posts you seem to think evolution is a linear process.
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Old 03-19-2014, 10:50 AM   #182
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So are you going with the ape or the guppie? There were many Homos after erectus including Neanderthals that are closer to sapien. Between those Homos is signs of micro evolution. There's nothing found before erectus that could have micro evolved into erectus. The difference between Neanderthals and sapiens is enormous.
This doesn't appear to make any sense. What problems do you have with whale evolution? Since you initially said macro evolution in general, I am left to presume you think there are missing links all over the place.
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Old 03-19-2014, 10:56 AM   #183
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Oh Jesus ****ing christ...

No... it...doesn't. If it did, the theory wouldn't exist or those laws would have to change. You don't understand the laws of thermodynamics.
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Old 03-19-2014, 10:57 AM   #184
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No. The "Tiny particle" didn't exist in space and time. That's what you're missing. There was no space or time before that. It didn't exist. The singularity is what created space and time.
I guess you missed where I said "Or, it didn't, right?"
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Old 03-19-2014, 10:59 AM   #185
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I've opened Pandora's box of conclusion jumpers. Everyone jumps to conclusions about my conclusions when I've already said that I wait for facts. I will conclude once facts are in. Evolution to homsapiens is unproven at this time without macro evolution. People need to learn how to read.
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Old 03-19-2014, 11:02 AM   #186
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Explain. You're clearly well versed in how the big bang theory violates the laws of thermodynamics.
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Old 03-19-2014, 11:02 AM   #187
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Man didn't 'come from apes'.

They have a common ancestor.

Based on your posts you seem to think evolution is a linear process.
There's no link to a common ancestor since macro evolution hasn't ever been proven. So produce a link or prove macro. Until then I will not assume evolution.
Never said man came from Apes.
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Your proven lack of credibility is what prevents me from clicking any link you provided. The picture just proved that someone believes that man came from ape. I however do not.
This link shows the link from erectus to sapien http://www.becominghuman.org/
Everyone has a link, I wait for facts to come in before jumping to conclusions.
Whatever excuse you need to not understand and not know what you're talking about is alright with me. If I'm the excuse so be it.
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Old 03-19-2014, 11:04 AM   #189
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Explain. You're clearly well versed in how the big bang theory violates the laws of thermodynamics.
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Boy, this thread went from "Wow, cool...science!" to DC in no time.
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That's not necessarily true. We've never witnessed matter created from nothing. But some science says it's certainly plausible. Quantum theory says it's possible. Quantum theory says that the Big Bang could have spontaneously emerged from a random quantum fluctuation in an simple quantum vacuum. Which satisfies quantum theory science. So you cannot say that science has no answer. At that point, you have to understand the relationship between quantum theory and relative theory.
Again with randomality? This is the lynch pen for evolution too (random mutations) and if you do the math behind evolution and random mutations to get to humans and the here and now it's so fantastically remote mathematically that it's laughable to have a serious discussion about. All I'm saying is that this type of theoretical mumbo-jumbo is nothing more than another type of faith. You are using terms like "not necessarily true... plausible... random...." to say science is conclusive and I'm saying science is speculating more than proving anything. I'm not saying "don't work it out scientifically via gathering data" I'm saying don't by hypocritical when people are skeptical on the psuedo-science of some of these theories.
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Explain. You're clearly well versed in how the big bang theory violates the laws of thermodynamics.
the law of the conservation of energy and the big bang theory are at odds with each other.
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You should start each of your posts with I'm not very knowledgeable about science but...
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You should start each of your posts with I'm not very knowledgeable about science but...
when you've lost an argument you tend to start insulting people, congrats.
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the law of the conservation of energy and the big bang theory are at odds with each other.
Okay, you've made a claim (that is wrong), now explain how this is true.

I didn't ask you to specify which law, I asked HOW it violates the law(s) as you claim it does.
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