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Posted April 01, 2013 @ 2:32 p.m. ET
By Nolan Nawrocki

The following scouting reports were taken from Pro Football Weekly's 2013 Draft Preview book, which is now on sale. You can order it today through the PFW Store, or by calling 1-800-FOOTBALL (Monday through Friday from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. CT).

QB Matt Barkley, #7
USC
PFW Grade: 6.03
Ht: 6-21/2 | Wt: 227 | Sp: 4.95e | Arm: 305/8 | Hand: 101/8
Notes: His father, Les, was an All-American water polo player at USC (1976-79) and brother, Sam, is a hurdler on the USC track team. A four-year starter who threw for 9,487 yards and 78 touchdowns as a California prep. Suffered a broken collarbone in his first year of high school, when he was allowed to call his own plays. Became the first junior to be named Gatorade National Player of the Year in 2007 after throwing for 3,576 yards and 35 touchdowns. Enrolled at USC in time for spring practice in ’09 and was named the starter in the fall as a true freshman. In 12 starts, he completed 211-of-352 pass attempts (59.9 percent) for 2,735 yards with 15 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. Became the first USC true freshman ever to start an opener and the first true freshman to start an opener at QB for an AP Top Five team since Michigan’s Rick Leach in 1975. Missed the Washington game with a bruised right shoulder. Had surgery on his right wrist to relieve stiffness and inflammation prior to ’10 spring practice. In the fall, threw for 236-377-2,791-26-12 (62.6) in 12 starts. Was sidelined for second half of the Oregon State game and against Notre Dame with a high ankle sprain. Had a record-setting ’11 campaign with 308-446-3,528-39-7 (69.1) in 12 starts. Set the Pac-12 record for touchdown passes and broke the school mark for completion percentage. Became the top signalcaller in USC history in ’12 after hitting 246-387-3,273-36-15 (63.6) in 11 starts. Suffered a sprained AC joint (type III) in his throwing (right) shoulder on a hit against UCLA and missed the final two games of his collegiate career. Finished with 20 USC career, season and game marks with 10 also being Pac-12 records. Was the winner of the Wuerffel Trophy, awarded for exemplary community service with athletic and academic achievement. Was USC’s first-ever three-time captain and had a 34-13 record in 47 career starts. Did not work out at the Combine to rest his throwing shoulder.
Positives: Thickly built. Experienced four-year starter in a pro-style offense with progression NFL reads. Terrific football intelligence. Good decision-maker — knows when and where to go with the ball. Throws on balance with a smooth, fluid delivery. Good enough arm strength to connect deep — can drop it in a bucket and showed improved deep accuracy as a senior. Good short-to-intermediate accuracy and overall anticipation. Tough and will deliver with pressure barreling down — good poise and on-field demeanor. Can sidestep the rush and manipulate coverage with his eyes. Outstanding intangibles and leadership traits — commands respect from teammates. Rallied comeback wins throughout his career, from the time he was the first freshman to start for a top-5-ranked team since 1975 against Ohio State, to Oregon (2011) and Utah (2012). Very intelligent with an engaging personality. Team tempo-setter. Can elevate a locker room, uplift an organization and represent a franchise with integrity. Very strong support structure. Is a pro’s pro and football is very important to him. Highly determined.
Negatives: Has short arms and average grip strength (student manager was fired for deflating balls). Does not snap it quickly and spiral is not tight. Heavy-footed and cannot improvise or create with his feet. Cannot easily manipulate his arm and throwing platform under duress and the ball dies when he can’t step into it. Does not drive the ball down the field with high RPMs. Not quick-eyed — many throws are pre-determined at the line, and he will hold the ball too long on some progressions. Can be streaky (see Washington). Never beat Stanford’s pro-style defense in four years.
Summary: A cool, confident, rhythm passer who suffered as a senior behind a leaky, injured offensive line that left little time to throw. Looked much more comfortable as a junior with an elite left tackle. Is slow-footed and could be more prone to injury in the pros and take some time to adapt to live NFL bullets. Leadership traits, strength of character and football IQ will allow to operate at a high level in a play-action passing game with a clean pocket and a talented cast of receivers. Can become a very solid NFL starter and thrive with a strong supporting cast. A cross between Drew Brees and Colt McCoy.
NFL projection: First-round pick.

QB Geno Smith, #12
West Virginia
PFW Grade: 5.39
Ht: 6-23/8 | Wt: 218 | Sp: 4.59 | Arm: 321/2 | Hand: 91/4
Notes: His cousin, Melvin Bratton, was a star running back for the Miami Hurricanes in the late 1980s. The Florida prep was a Parade All-American selection after throwing for over 3,000 yards and 32 touchdowns. Saw limited action in five games as a true freshman in 2009, completing 32-of-49 passes for 309 yards (65.3 percent) with one touchdown and one interception while playing through a broken fifth metatarsal in his left foot for part of the season. Took over as the starter in ’10 and tossed 241-372-2,763-24-7 (64.8) in 13 starts. Was the first West Virginia QB in 12 years to throw for over 2,500 yards in a season. Garnered heavy recognition for ’11 season, setting the Big East Conference and school mark for passing yards with 346-526-4,385-31-7 (65.8), in addition to becoming the first Mountaineer QB in history and only the second Big East player to surpass 4,000 yards in a season in 13 starts. Named Orange Bowl MVP after throwing for 407 yards and six touchdowns against Clemson. Set the school record and led the Big 12 Conference in touchdown passes in ’12 after tossing 369-518-4,205-42-6 (a conference-leading 71.2) in 13 starts. Threw for 656 yards and eight touchdowns in a 70-63 shootout victory against Baylor. Had a 26-13 record in 39 career starts.
Positives: Has a strong arm and can rifle the ball with good velocity into tight windows. Can throw with accuracy on the move and layer the deep ball. Good overall accuracy, ball placement and touch, especially on the fade route. Throws a very catchable ball — spins it tightly. Good escapability — can sidestep the rush, find an open throwing window and extend plays with his feet when needed. Outstanding straight-line speed — clocked the best 40-yard time (4.56 seconds) and broad jump (10-foot-4) of any quarterback at the Combine. Very durable, experienced, three-year starter — overcame an average offensive line, has never missed any time to injury and will play through pain.
Negatives: Operated an offense where he received adjustments from the sidelines and was often out of sync with receivers. Average field vision and coverage recognition — forces throws and does not work through progressions. Takes unnecessary sacks and does not feel pressure well. Not an elusive scrambler. Shaky lower-body mechanics — does not stand tall in the pocket (crouches, hops, dances and elevates to his toes when he throws). Has pin legs and bad pocket posture. Operated almost exclusively from the gun. Not a student of the game. Nonchalant field presence — does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire. Mild practice demeanor — no urgency. Not committed or focused — marginal work ethic. Interviewed poorly at the Combine and did not show an understanding of concepts on the white board. Opted not to compete at the Senior Bowl and has approached offseason training as if he has already arrived and it shows in his body with minimal muscle definition or strength. Has small hands and glaring ball security issues (32 career fumbles). Really struggled handling the snow in Pinstripe Bowl (took two safeties) and will be troubled by the elements. Needed to be coddled in college — cannot handle hard coaching.
Summary: Started the season red-hot with the help of two playmaking receivers and created a national stir generating a lot of overexcitement in the scouting community. Quickly came down to earth after Kansas State disguised coverages and brought pressure he could not handle and he finished dropping six of his final eight games. A cross between Akili Smith and Aaron Brooks, Smith is a gimmick, overhyped product of the system lacking the football savvy, work habits and focus to cement a starting job and could drain energy from a QB room. Will be overdrafted and struggle to produce against NFL defensive complexities.
NFL projection: Top-50 pick
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Old 04-03-2013, 06:24 PM   #166
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1. It's not surprising that his critique of Barkley is a little better than that of Smith since he gave him a higher grade.

2. Despite that higher grade, he doesn't treat Barkley with kid gloves. You're imagining that. Read these negatives again and tell me where he's making excuses:



3. Doesn't mention arm strength? Go back to 2. and read it again.

4. I don't know why you're trying so hard to see ulterior motives, but it seems to be screwing up your reading ability.
He clearly uses the O-Line as an excuse in his overview. He compares Barkley to DREW BREES while comparing Geno to Akili Smith. What the **** does Geno have in common with Akili Smith? Comparing him to Akili smith is automatically putting the bust tag on him when he shares nothing in common with Akili aside from his last name and skin color.

What the **** has Matt Barkely ever done to draw comparisons to Drew Brees?

Geno got absolutely destroyed in this review, using very harsh verbage. There isn't anything nearly as harsh in Barkley's review.

There is a reason why this review is so heavily debated. But go ahead and pretend that it's a fair analysis. Go ahead and continue white knighting a guy who has already been proven to be disingenuous in his scouting reports.
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Old 04-03-2013, 06:27 PM   #167
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There is some reason all the top teams are scrambling to shuffle average journeymen, and there is no smoke at all about anyone interested in moving up. Maybe Nolan has it right.
There are some things that Nolan is right about in his review. And it's a very real possibility that teams don't see Geno as a day 1 starter.

But that's not what this is about. This is about a scathing assault on a guy's character and intelligence. All of which has been refuted by every other reputable source out there.

Judging by his review, you'd think Geno was Jamarcus Russel.
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There are some things that Nolan is right about in his review. And it's a very real possibility that teams don't see Geno as a day 1 starter.

But that's not what this is about. This is about a scathing assault on a guy's character and intelligence. All of which has been refuted by every other reputable source out there.

Judging by his review, you'd think Geno was Jamarcus Russel.
They WANT him to be Russel so they can jerk each other off for not putting him at the top of their boards when they first began composing mocks.

Smith should slather his penii in cocoa butter and dick whip every one of those mother****ers!
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OMG, Barkley's got slow eyes too!
It might be the beginning of a pandemic!
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They WANT him to be Russel so they can jerk each other off for not putting him at the top of their boards when they first began composing mocks.

Smith should slather his penii in cocoa butter and dick whip every one of those mother****ers!
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I'm pretty sure that if Geno drops due to propaganda fuelled agenda filled ****tarded shit like this pencil dick put out, he's going to shove a lot of footballs up a lot of people's asses.
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It might be the beginning of a pandemic!
Forest Whitaker's evil plans are coming to fruition, it seems.
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Can you explain to us what Geno and Akili have in common?
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Here's a damning report about Geno's work ethic:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/190936841.html

Green Bay — Too many personal film sessions ran long. When Jake Spavital returned to his office at West Virginia, quarterback Geno Smith was usually camped out watching tape. The quarterbacks coach had no choice but to shag Smith away. The quarterback had class.

So then, Spavital had a solution.

“I got him an iPad so he’d go to class,” said Spavital, who is now at Texas A&M. “And then he’d start watching the iPad tape in class, which causes more distractions.”

A constant need for film paid off. Smith is widely considered the top quarterback prospect in this year's NFL draft class.

Questions dominate the position. Unlike last year, there isn't an Andrew Luck or a Robert Griffin III rampaging into the NFL. West Virginia’s Smith is the headliner and could go as high as No. 1 overall to the Kansas City Chiefs. On Tuesday, Spavital described Smith as the quintessential “film junkie.” Through these last few years, he has coached the record-setting Case Keenum at Houston, Brandon Weeden at Oklahoma State and then Smith.

Out of the three, Smith was the most complete quarterback. And while outsiders may have doubts, Spavital believes Smith has a skill-set that will translate to the pros.

To him, the Chiefs have to take Geno Smith first overall.

“I think it’s a no-brainer to take the first quarterback overall,” he said. “I’ve been around some pretty good ones and I’ve never seen a guy that’s this complete as a quarterback. And he’s hungry.”

On that iPad, Smith watched every snap of Aaron Rodgers’ season in 2011. Sometimes, Spavital joined him but usually Smith watched the Packers quarterback on his own. The 6-foot-3, 215-pounder began mimicking Rodgers’ play-action tendencies. The Packers and Mountaineers run a handful of similar formations. In the split-back, play-action game, Smith noticed that Rodgers rides a prolonged fake to the running back to protect himself longer in the pocket.

So he started doing the same thing at West Virginia.

Same story with Drew Brees. Smith liked how Brees pump-faked the opposite direction before throwing screen passes to backs, so he picked that habit up, too.

“He studies it,” Spavital said. “With Brandon Weeden, I couldn’t say that about him. I love the guy to death but he had some good guys around him. Brandon knew how to get the ball to those guys. There were times at West Virginia when (Smith) had to create things.”

All three quarterbacks Spavital coached were very different. He said Keenum had the quickest release of the three but didn’t measure up physically. Weeden had the “strongest arm” but also benefited from a strong supporting cast.

Smith was the best overall player. Neither Weeden or Keenum were quite the student of the game, too.

“He could do it all,” Spavital said. “He could be under center. He can throw out of the shotgun. He can throw comebacks. He can pull it and run when he needs to. We got to do some pretty good stuff with Geno because he was such a good student of the game and we could do anything with him. ... He impresses me a lot with the things that he can do — how he operates the game, how he studies. He would actually sit there and bring ideas to the table. There were times when we let him check 80% of the game. We put a lot on him and he’s capable of doing that."

Smith finished the 2012 season with 4,205 passing yards, 42 touchdowns and only six interceptions. At times, he was video-game efficient.

In a 70-63 win over Baylor, Smith was a mind-boggling 45 of 51 for 656 yards with eight touchdowns and no picks. The next week — surrounded by 100,000-plus at Texas — he led West Virginia to a 48-45 win. And when Smith couldn't feel his hands in a frigid win over Iowa State, he pretended to do play-action fakes in the screen game to get a better grip on the ball.

Said Spavital, "He knows how to think on his feet and be creative with things.”

But there was also that whole five-game losing streak in the middle of the season. Smith's early grip on the Heisman Trophy slipped away and the Mountaineers’ season ended with a thud against Syracuse when Smith was less than impressive. Spavital admits Smith didn't have enough touch on his deep ball as a junior, but said the mid-season struggles in 2012 were a reflection of coaches asking him to do too much more than Smith himself.

Overall, an attention to detail fed Smith's growth and he mostly shed any potential "system quarterback" label. Smith operated in the shotgun and under center. Immediately after each home game, Smith and Spavital watched a replay of the full game together. Smith cleaned up, grabbed food and brought it to his coach's office. He needed to see it while it was fresh in his mind.

From there, Spavital said the quarterback would watch that Saturday's game “four or five times” before their next meeting together.

At the NFL scouting combine, Smith now has a chance to cash in.

“There are those guys that are ‘what can football do for me?’ He’s ‘what can I do for football,’” Spavital said. “That’s how he approaches it. You take the game away from him and he’s got nothing.”
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I'm pretty sure that if Geno drops due to propaganda fuelled agenda filled ****tarded shit like this pencil dick put out, he's going to shove a lot of footballs up a lot of people's asses.
I agree. Russell, this man is NOT. ****ing idiots.
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Yeah, and Eric Clapton really had a "slow hand"!
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He clearly uses the O-Line as an excuse in his overview. He compares Barkley to DREW BREES while comparing Geno to Akili Smith. What the **** does Geno have in common with Akili Smith? Comparing him to Akili smith is automatically putting the bust tag on him when he shares nothing in common with Akili aside from his last name and skin color.

What the **** has Matt Barkely ever done to draw comparisons to Drew Brees?

Geno got absolutely destroyed in this review, using very harsh verbage. There isn't anything nearly as harsh in Barkley's review.

There is a reason why this review is so heavily debated. But go ahead and pretend that it's a fair analysis. Go ahead and continue white knighting a guy who has already been proven to be disingenuous in his scouting reports.
He hasn't been proven to be disingenuous in his scouting reports. Please stop making things up.

Both Geno and Akili are about the same height. Both Geno and Akili were throwers not runners. Speaking of disingenuous, it's disingenuous for you to say that the only thing they had in common was a last name and skin color.

I get it. You don't like this guy's opinion of Geno Christ, but that doesn't make him a racist. No one should be surprised if he ends up being right about Geno and Barkley. He's been right about both Cam and RGIII so far.
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Funny thing is Mayock has always been taken as the best TV guy around here. Until now.
Since when? Mayock's the chode muncher who always mocks us LTs.

He gave us Monroe, Okung, and Bulaga three ****ing years in a row. I don't know ANYBODY on here who has ever liked what he's said about the Chiefs and the draft.

Oh, and whaddaya know? Before the Alex Smith trade was announced, he was all about Joeckel coming here. Before he knew what the **** Albert was up to at all and when Winston was still a Chief. Joeckel Joeckel Joeckel was his thing.

During combine coverage they put up a screen shot of Chiefs #1 needs, which included QB, CB, and ILB or something like that. He looked at that and even said, "WHAT THE **** IS THIS? OFFENSIVE LINE, GOD DAMN IT! HERE, LET ME WRITE IT OUT FOR YOU *writes out OL with the yellow pen* SEE? OFFENSIVE. LINE. JESUS ****!"
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