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Old 10-17-2018, 04:14 PM  
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How do we overcome the NFL's desire to neuter defense?

It appears that the NFL would love nothing more than for all of us to regress to the mindset, expectations, and attention spans of the average 8 year-old on game day.
The average football youngster fan can tell you the names of his or her favorite QB's, Receivers, and even Running Backs( if said RB is an undeniable yardage monster ). Ask them about their favorite defensive players and you're just as likely to get a blank stare as you are a very short list of defensive superstars who are as well known for their commercials, endorsement deals, on-field antics, and off-field issues as they are for their play.
Now before you take me to task over that last comment, let me first say that I know and understand that there ARE parents out there who enjoy teaching their kids about the team, who is who, and what they bring to the overall effort on BOTH sides of the ball. Bless you good parents for doing so.
Had you asked me that question when I was a youngster, the best I could probably come up with was Mean Joe Green.

Offense is exciting, I get that. Deep passes for massive gains, insane catches between multiple defenders, running backs busting through lines, juking defenders at the 2nd level, and then screaming off to the end zone leaving DB's in their wake. It's great entertainment that anyone watching, regardless of their knowledge of the game, can enjoy and be a part of.

Defense is a little more tricky. Defense requires you to have some knowledge of the game to truly appreciate( or condemn )it. But once you do, there is no question whatsoever that it is far and away the most exciting phase of the game, especially if your squad is composed of 4 or more genuine all-stars.

In coming across this article today( https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...m_campaign=nfl ), I found it interesting in that the writer touched on some points that have been under discussion at CP for some time.
Namely, I found it both interesting and troubling that the writer points out a lack of defensive fundamentals( tackling etc.)not only with the Chiefs, but across the whole league.
It seems to me that these fundamentals have been sacrificed in the name of a new defensive game that relies more on speed, intelligence/scheme, and finesse. Tackling, a subject that we beat to death around here, is on it's way to becoming a very nuanced "shade of grey" that can result in lost yardage through penalty and close games lost on the whims of officials.

This is completely unacceptable. We spend so much time here joking about flying banners in an effort to effect change within our own organization when what we should be doing is creating a league-wide coalition of fans who are absolutely fed up with this bullshit, and who want OUR ****ing game returned to a state of balance where all three phases of the game have an unfettered opportunity to change the course of a game.

The technology, science, and sports nutrition exist to counter the effects of a reasonably executed defensive standard where tackling, sacks, and properly laid wood can live in symbiotic harmony with 40 year-old QB's and 40+ point games. This isn't an either/or situation.
I'm open to any ideas, no matter how far out they might seem. Create a "double roster" whereby starters can be rotated in and out of the game, either by rules or choice in an effort to keep the amount of playing time down for the individual and reduce potential long-term damage? Double the cap and let's roll. Allow the defense to hit hard under very defined guidelines and points of contact that if violated result in sitting that player out for a couple of defensive series, similar to hockey? That's certainly better than outright eliminating the very essence of defensive football.

I don't want to wake up one day to find a completely unrecognizable game playing on my television. The game is not so far gone that we couldn't put the brakes on and at least make an attempt to right the ship. And I know that CP is not the only site on the web frequented by fans of the game who are as sick and tired of this shit as we are.
If SOC can accomplish the change it sought, then there is no reason that a similar organization comprised of fans the whole league over could not create a voice to be heard and reckoned with in this matter. After all, it is ultimately in the hands of the fans whether or not the NFL gets ratings, can generate revenue through advertisement, sell merchandise, fill stadiums, and pay its overhead and salaries.
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Old 10-17-2018, 06:08 PM   #16
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We finally got our Aaron Rodgers and you guys want to figure out how to bolster NFL defenses to stop him.
That's a reasonable script-flip, but what I'm after is the ability of a superior defense to put the stop on the other team's "Aaron Rodgers".

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Thats a fair point, but still... the football fan in all of us suffers when the game changes this drastically, a balance has to be found

Mahomes would've excelled in any era, he'd be a bonafide star no matter how much defenses were unleashed
EXACTLY. Right on the money. I've been watching several episodes of "A Football Life" lately, enjoying the shows that feature the QB's you and I grew up with. Those guys didn't need an excuse or help from the league, they just went out every Sunday and balled-out.
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Old 10-17-2018, 06:16 PM   #17
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We finally got our Aaron Rodgers and you guys want to figure out how to bolster NFL defenses to stop him.

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Old 10-17-2018, 06:18 PM   #18
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When the Chiefs figure out this "defense" thing, we'll be back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back SB Champs.
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Old 10-17-2018, 06:27 PM   #19
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Defensive line full of pass rushers
linebackers that can run
safeties that can cover

If our linebackers and Safeties are aggressive enough at tackling they can keep offenses from running us out of the stadium. Our high-scoring offense only needs a few stops to jump out to a big lead and force teams to throw the ball most of the time anyway.

A defensive coordinator who knows how to scheme pressure on the passer instead of just expecting the front-4 to do it all on autopilot.

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Old 10-17-2018, 06:49 PM   #20
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You can still play good defense.

Against bad quarterbacks...
Or completely inept O-coords! Woo-Hoo! What fun we're having now!

I'm not calling for a return to the 70's/80's, but the ticky-tack shit needs to go. And the other poster is right; if you're in a playoff game or trying to get to one, what's to stop some of the more "character-challenged" coaches from sending the demolition crew after your "shiny new toy"?
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Old 10-17-2018, 07:10 PM   #21
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Defensive line full of pass rushers
linebackers that can run
safeties that can cover

If our linebackers and Safeties are aggressive enough at tackling they can keep offenses from running us out of the stadium. Our high-scoring offense only needs a few stops to jump out to a big lead and force teams to throw the ball most of the time anyway.

A defensive coordinator who knows how to scheme pressure on the passer instead of just expecting the 4-front to do it all on autopilot.
The Rams have most of those things and even they struggle.

That being said, there's no excuse for the defense that the Chiefs are trotting out there right now.
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Old 10-17-2018, 07:35 PM   #22
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Well, I can't think of an excuse for our defense. And I've been trying really hard to come up with one.

Veach said they were going to be younger and faster. He said they were tired of getting run over and we were going to stop the rush ... that was a huge priority. He also wanted guys who had no "quit" and played hard all 4 quarters.

That's 5 things; younger, faster, tough against the run, no quit, play hard all 4 quarters.

He delivered 2 things (maybe). We got younger-ish. But then we brought back Parker and Zombo and haven't played the youngest guys more than a few snaps (and then mainly only due to injury). We aren't any faster than we were, really. We're worse vs. the run. We don't quit ... gotta give him that one. And we do play all 4 quarters ... backing up all the way.

Veach needs to have his ass kicked. We could have improved this offseason and we've actually declined. I know he didn't have a 1st round pick, but damn. We look like a bunch of guys off the street out there.

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Old 10-17-2018, 07:36 PM   #23
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Well, I can't think of an excuse for our defense. And I've been trying really hard to come up with one.

Veach said they were going to be younger and faster. He said they were tired of getting run over and we were going to stop the rush ... that was a huge priority. He also wanted guys who had no "quit" and played hard all 4 quarters.

That's 5 things; younger, faster, tough against the run, no quit, play hard all 4 quarters.

He delivered 2 things (maybe). We got younger-ish. But then we brought back Parker and Zombo and haven't played the youngest guys more than a few snaps (and then mainly only due to injury). We aren't any faster than we were, really. We're worse vs. the run. We don't quit ... gotta give him that one. And we do play all 4 quarters ... backing up all the way.

Veach needs to have his ass kicked. We could have improved this offseason and we've actually declined. I know he didn't have a 1st round pick, but damn. We look like a bunch of guys off the street out there.

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Old 10-17-2018, 07:37 PM   #24
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I think you’ve gotta just give up on limiting yards. Just try and caviar turnovers and get tough in the red zone
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Old 10-17-2018, 07:38 PM   #25
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They’ve gotten hit with some injuries at some spots on d and this regime hasn’t ever really played rookies early.

I don’t think it’s a big talent issue on d. Coaching is more the problem imo. I didn’t think that a few weeks ago but when guys are getting worse and shit it’s a problem
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Old 10-17-2018, 07:39 PM   #26
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Oh ... and how about this?

The marvelously inquisitorial professional KC media doesn't grill Wally at all during his presser this week. They raised almost no questions regarding the amount of suck displayed by this defense. They should have pressed his ass hard on that subject and made him squirm. It's like they don't want to hurt his feelings. In fact, the new Star reporter chick does ask him about his feelings. Oh, my God.

We need to bring in some reporters from the East Coast to teach them how it's done.

Wally's getting a pass on this defense. He doesn't deserve to get one. And neither does Veach.

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Yeah ... I rewatched the film in All-22 mode.

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Old 10-17-2018, 07:41 PM   #28
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It's a shit product. Without Mahomes and company it would be virtually unwatchable
But, we DO have Mahomes and it is exciting to watch.

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**** helping them in any way take away any of Mahomes talents.
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In all fairness, I should mention that Zombo got one hell of a block on the big return Sunday night. He did good on that play. Real good.

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They’ve gotten hit with some injuries at some spots on d and this regime hasn’t ever really played rookies early.

I don’t think it’s a big talent issue on d. Coaching is more the problem imo. I didn’t think that a few weeks ago but when guys are getting worse and shit it’s a problem
Sorry, Mr. O.city ... but that's simply incorrect. And I would ask you to reconsider that analysis.

We don't have the ingredients on the field to even know if the coaching is the problem. I can promise you that.

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