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Old 06-11-2018, 09:45 AM  
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CBS/YouGov poll: America HATES immigration

Just about the 84,000th poll over the years stating the obvious. But get this: even blacks and Hispanics aren't wild about it either. Maybe TanMan will get around to this issue someday.


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New CBS/YouGov poll:
Every race, age, and sex believe immigration has had a more negative impact on their community than positive.
Whites: 58% neg./ 15% pos.
Blacks: 45% neg./ 17% pos
Hispanics: 44% neg./ 28% pos
Other: 51% neg/ 21% pos


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Old 06-12-2018, 03:57 PM   #31
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Agreed. It's sad that there are those who want to exploit this narrative for their own racist purposes. I would bet most of those who want immigration reform recognize the distinction between legal & illegal immigration. Sadly, like so many things, that's not where the loudest voices are coming from.
Yes, that is the loudest voice. It's being expressed and conflated with racism by the media very much on purpose. In other words the media (major news networks that is) IGNORES these legitimate voices and instead CHOOSE to give air time to an insignificant closet homosexual like Richard Spencer to hype up fears and muddy the waters. Then they conflate legit criticism with the alt right and ethno nationalism to smear dissenters of open border policies.

The opposition to immigration primarily comes against the concepts of mass migration and open borders, and polls demonstrate this. If you criticize those things, you WILL be smeared as being 'opposed to immigration' and you WILL be smeared as a racist. Even Oaklandhater had to attend diversity classes at his work (this is what he claimed anyway) due to being overheard condemning these immigration policies, and he's sure as hell not an ethno nationalist.

You've simply convinced yourself that PB like people make up a majority voices or even the loudest voices of those opposing mass migration and open borders. He does not. He's an actual ethno nationalist and debatably an ethno supremacist. He's definitely an ethno nationalist and I don't expect him to dispute that. The problem is that you BOTH have the same misconception of reality and have chosen to deal with it differently.

Most americans just want to can the open borders and SLOW migration, particularly from incompatible cultures.
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Old 06-12-2018, 05:50 PM   #32
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Agreed. It's sad that there are those who want to exploit this narrative for their own racist purposes. I would bet most of those who want immigration reform recognize the distinction between legal & illegal immigration. Sadly, like so many things, that's not where the loudest voices are coming from.
People always do this^. Put their own views out as "the majority" or the "middle ground" because they love thinking they're normal and reasonable.

We don't have good polling data that distinguishes this. We can look at Trump's election as a good proxy for what voters really think. If you were correct he'd have lost in the Primary and then the general, if people really do like legal immigration.
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Old 06-12-2018, 07:04 PM   #33
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No offense, but there are some Americans who hate both.
Well, no shit, Donger.

There are some Americans who hate pizza.

Does that mean that an article titled "America hates Pizza" should be given merit?
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Old 06-12-2018, 08:06 PM   #34
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Well, no shit, Donger.

There are some Americans who hate pizza.

Does that mean that an article titled "America hates Pizza" should be given merit?
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:07 PM   #35
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:55 PM   #37
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That's not what this poll says.

Dumbass - you can make a "poll" say exactly what you want it to say. Wake the hell up you goof ball.
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Old 06-12-2018, 11:15 PM   #38
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I don't have a problem with countries not liking immigration. But it's another thing to enforce it when you are a huge country like us.

Immigration can water down iconic cultural areas. How cool is the culture in Europe, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Texas, East Coast, West Coast etc? Why would you want to make culture the same everywhere?
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I don't have a problem with countries not liking immigration. But it's another thing to enforce it when you are a huge country like us.

Immigration can water down iconic cultural areas. How cool is the culture in Europe, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Texas, East Coast, West Coast etc? Why would you want to make culture the same everywhere?
Been to England lately? Piccadilly Square looks like downtown Bagdad today. "England" as we used to think of it is dead and gone.
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Old 06-13-2018, 08:12 AM   #42
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Yes, that is the loudest voice. It's being expressed and conflated with racism by the media very much on purpose. In other words the media (major news networks that is) IGNORES these legitimate voices and instead CHOOSE to give air time to an insignificant closet homosexual like Richard Spencer to hype up fears and muddy the waters. Then they conflate legit criticism with the alt right and ethno nationalism to smear dissenters of open border policies.

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You've simply convinced yourself that PB like people make up a majority voices or even the loudest voices of those opposing mass migration and open borders. He does not. He's an actual ethno nationalist and debatably an ethno supremacist. He's definitely an ethno nationalist and I don't expect him to dispute that. The problem is that you BOTH have the same misconception of reality and have chosen to deal with it differently.

Most americans just want to can the open borders and SLOW migration, particularly from incompatible cultures.
Are you just arguing with me for the sake of arguing? When did I even close to say that anything but a small minority of conservatives oppose immigration for racist reasons?
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Old 06-13-2018, 08:30 AM   #43
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To me, this isn't a yes or no deal. If you're flat out opposed to immigration or you're flat out supportive of mass migration, you're flat out wrong.

Legal immigration in a controlled manner is a vital part of our economy. We can't make America great if we don't have the skill labor to deliver. We can train someone to do basic infrastructure. We aren't going to train someone overnight to do specific trade labor or educate someone overnight in STEM. And for executive and managerial positions, your pipeline should be filled with the best candidates. Period. If you pass on the best candidate purely because you don't want immigrants, you're an idiot.

Illegal immigration is different. And I don't like when people oversimplify. You can't just en masse wipe out illegal immigration. It's going to decimate our ag economy, let alone stall key construction and infrastructure projects. The option doesn't have to be amnesty or a path to citizenship. We should first acknowledge that illegal is illegal, then enforce the borders, from there recognize labor that is actually contributing to the economy. Force these workers to compete at a legal wage, then expand the visa program. Visas mean no citizenship, often means only temporary stays in the US, and it will force workers to pay taxes. And it will do so in a way that avoids severe business disruption, massive deportation costs, and by forcing legal wages up it will force non useful labor to "self deport."
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Been to England lately? Piccadilly Square looks like downtown Bagdad today. "England" as we used to think of it is dead and gone.
But that was legal immigration tho. Right lil fella? (Pats you on top of he'd, mocking)
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Poor dumb bastard. England is the RESULT of unfettered immigration. Open borders, to those stupid like yourself.

It's all right…you are simply too stupid to know better...
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