Chiefs Random Thoughts on the Bengals Preseason Game - Page 8

Direckshun · 08-08-2014, 08:42 AM

Feel free to ignore. This is just a catchall for my thoughts on the game.

1. Alex Smith has absolutely nobody to throw to. I'm looking at as much of the field as is shown during the snaps, and nobody is getting open. I'm not even sure Avery and Jenkins played, and Bowe's not exactly known as a receiver who gets wide open anyways. This is extremely troubling, and dooms us against CB-heavy teams like the Seahawks, 49ers, and Patriots (as if we weren't doomed against them already).

The good news, however, is that our non-WR receiving corps looks strong. Charles still looks great. Fasano ran routes very well last night, and Kelce has serious promise. DAT looks like he could be sharp on routes, and another year should allow Davis to develop further.

But this is a team that had the fewest receptions and yardage at the WR corps of every other team in the league, and we didn't replenish any talent in the Draft, which only featured the deepest WR class in NFL history. ****. AND we lost what was a fairly critical piece of that package last year in Dexter McCluster. Basically this means that AJ Jenkins needs to explode this year, that DAT learns the ropes in the slot very quickly, and that Travis Kelce and/or Junior Hemingway takes off, somehow.

2. Really thought Fisher looked really good on all of two plays. I watched him like a hawk, and his runblocking looked far stronger than it ever was last year. Carlos Dunlap is a very big passrusher, however (he's around 290, I think?), and gave Fisher fits on two pass plays, which tells me that the achilles heel Fisher had last year (struggling against strong passrushers) is still going to be a problem this year. On the strip-sack Fisher gave up, Trent Green argued that Fisher did a solid job on the play, but Smith held the ball too long -- which gives me some hope that Fisher is coming along.

But Alex Smith does hold the ball too long, and takes sacks rather than throw down field. That's always been Smith's game. If that's the case, than it's going to be yet another atrocious year in the game threads as folks on this forum cry (justifiably or not) about Fisher struggling to come along. As long as he blocks for Alex Smith, he's going to give up coverage sacks. Last year, however, he was just beat like a rug -- I only saw that once yesterday, when Fisher greeted a bullrush too high and got pushed back into Alex Smith's lap.

3. God, we are so fast now. We've started noticing the trend that John Dorsey has an almost Al Davis-like fascination with speed, and that shows on the field now. Charles, DAT, Albert Wilson, Knile Davis, Donnie Avery, and AJ Jenkins. Travis Kelce burned folks on his long play, too. This is as much a track team as we've ever seen, and hopefully that can compensate on offense for our lack of receiving talent.

It's noticeable on defense as well. Dee Ford is so fast around the edge, James-Michael Johnson runs like a receiver, and it sure doesn't look like anybody is going to be outrunning Phillip Gaines.

4. Rookies had a rocky performance last night, but it was great seeing them out there. Dee Ford was disruptive against the 2nd team OL, and can close that gap in a hurry. He'll need a couple years to add to his passrush arsenal, and also to work on his coverage and run-stopping abilities. That's stuff that Justin Houston had to do (albeit to a lesser extent) and hopefully Ford will improve leaps and bounds in that respect by this time next year. Phillip Gaines looked lost in coverage -- he was always going to be a project, which is why I saw him more as a 5th rounder than as the 3rd rounder we made him. On that long pass to the endzone he broke up, he showed that elite recovery speed that makes him such an outstanding athlete and could make him a great corner, but he also gave up two touchdowns from players that embarrassed him in routes. He does truly have shutdown potential, however, he just is going to take a while to get there, if he ever does.

DAT of course looked brilliant, no comments needed there, and we saw next to nothing of Aaron Murray. Fulton looked... alright. First of all, he looks ****ing massive, and not entirely in a good way. He's got a lot of extra love on those love handles, and he's going to get beat by athletic three-techs all year. But he had a decent performance last night against a DL that was missing their most important piece. I do like that he's getting his experience now. (How bad was Rishaw Johnson -- sheesh, maybe Fulton won the job by default.) I didn't notice hardly anything from Duvarney-Tardif, but I'll be rewatching soon. Albert Wilson looks like he could end up being a UDFA gem -- something this team badly needs this year. Wilson looks great in routes (albeit against 2nd and 3rd defenses), has great hands, and excellent speed.

4. As per the DL, Jaye Howard looks awful against the 1st stringers, and frequently looks bade against the 2nd string. I may revise that when I watch the game again, but I doubt it. There were huge holes opening up time after time against him in the run game. He made a couple plays against the 2nd/3rd string OL, but even then he was getting annihilated. I think he's buried on the depth chart behind DeVito and Catapano, so let's just hope we don't see a lot of him this year. That is definitely not working.

On the plus side, how good did Allen Bailey look? He's decently stout in the run game, but he's FINALLY providing the passrush from the DE position that this team desperately needs. I believe this is his contract year, and I've always loved his athletic potential. If he plays stout and throws in about 5-6 sacks this year, something he's very capable of doing, there's no reason he shouldn't be re-signed. But there is still a lot of football to play.

Vance Walker is a waste of a signing. Wow. Walker provided very little in terms of push at the NT position, and his play against the run was not that great either. He's listed as a backup NT now, but if Poe ever goes down, something tells me the team would rather slide DeVito over than get murdered up the gut thanks to Walker, who has never been a celebrated run defender anyway.

5. 3rd string guys I really like: DE Jairus Campbell, WR Frankie Hammond, QB Tyler Bray, TE Demetrius Harris, CB Kevin Rutland, RB Charcandrick West.

6. I said before that our backup OL was probably the best backup OL we've had on the field since I've been a fan, and you could see that in the 2nd quarter and 2nd half. Against a very deep Bengals team, Knile Davis, Cyrus Gray, and Charcandrick West had holes blasted open for them all game. The Chiefs offensive momentum in this game was almost entirely due to the 2nd string OL dominating on the ground.

7. As I've mentioned, I'll be watching the game a 2nd time, so I'll add thoughts to this thread as I do.

**SAUTO** · 08-08-2014, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CallMeSquidwad

So you've never heard of a 46 defense? is that 4 d linemen and 6 linebackers???...No, it refers to the allignment of the safeties, you must not have played much. I have not mentioned a 3-4 once I was referencing the front 7 as a whole hoping nobody could truly be this dumb, do you think I don't know we play a 3-4??Or that anyone who watches us can't see that we play a 3-4?.....This is hard to believe that you really are this dumb.

and again how many linemen in a 3-4?

**hometeam** · 08-08-2014, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CallMeSquidwad

So you've never heard of a 46 defense? is that 4 d linemen and 6 linebackers???...No, it refers to the allignment of the safeties, you must not have played much. I have not mentioned a 3-4 once I was referencing the front 7 as a whole hoping nobody could truly be this dumb, do you think I don't know we play a 3-4??Or that anyone who watches us can't see that we play a 3-4?.....This is hard to believe that you really are this dumb.

Does 3-4 not mean exactly what JAUTO said it does?

**SAUTO** · 08-08-2014, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by hometeam

Does 3-4 not mean exactly what JAUTO said it does?

no it means there are 5 linemen and 2 linebackers. DUH!!!!!

CallMeSquidwad · 08-08-2014, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I just quoted a post in which YOU brought up the 3-4.

.....

talk to ya week 4 simpleton

**SAUTO** · 08-08-2014, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CallMeSquidwad

.....

talk to ya week 4 simpleton

what did I say that was wrong in that post?

CallMeSquidwad · 08-08-2014, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CallMeSquidwad

Does anyone else see this as a COMPLETE oxymoron? Did the Steelers ever have stellar corner play? No, can you name any of the 85' Bears corners? Other than Leslie Fraser, because we all know him as a coach? Secondary play becomes less relevant when you have the tanks we do rushing the QB, our DB's only have to be good for 3 seconds every play and we'll be solid; plus the fact that we'll mostly just rush 4 so our corners will have help over the top.
I'm sorry but this just infuriates me when people knit pick at our defense when it is this good; no team in the last 20 years has been outstanding on all 3 levels, it's just not possible within the modern salary cap.

Is there any mention of a 3-4?

Hammock Parties · 08-08-2014, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

1. Alex Smith has absolutely nobody to throw to. I'm looking at as much of the field as is shown during the snaps, and nobody is getting open.

Same stupid bullshit people say about all the other shit quarterbacks that come through this town.

CallMeSquidwad · 08-08-2014, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

what did I say that was wrong in that post?

I remember having arguments like this with my little brother when we were kids; didn't know mocking someone was a form or argument for a supposed "adult"

htismaqe · 08-08-2014, 12:08 PM

The Chiefs were at or near the top of the league in sacks last year in week 4. In fact, they were still there in week 8.

And then teams figured out that they could neutralize our pass rush by running everything short and using a quick release. Our CBs could do nothing to counter it and we've done nothing to upgrade the CB spot.

The whole "see you in week 4" crap is beyond ridiculous and anybody that actually watched the games last year would know that.

**RealSNR** · 08-08-2014, 12:09 PM

So for the people bitching about Bray making mistakes.

Uhhh... THIS is the guy who doesn't make mistakes and will win games for us if Alex goes down?

Like, what the flying **** was he throwing to?

I don't care if he sucked off Drew Brees in the locker room and obtained all his QB knowledge via osmosis in the semen. It's either a bad decision or the worst ****ing throw I've seen by a Chiefs QB since Tyler ****ing Palko.

This guy is NOT a good backup.

**SAUTO** · 08-08-2014, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CallMeSquidwad

I remember having arguments like this with my little brother when we were kids; didn't know mocking someone was a form or argument for a supposed "adult"

excuse me? how was quoting a post in which you brought up the 3-4 in response to a post in which you stated you never brought up the 3-4 misconstrued as "mocking someone"?

saphojunkie · 08-08-2014, 12:17 PM

GOD FORBID YOU THROW IT TO KNILE DAVIS WIDE ****ING OPEN IN FRONT OF YOU WITH LITERALLY NO DEFENDER IN SIGHT. YOU ****ING BOOGER EATING MIDGET.

htismaqe · 08-08-2014, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

GOD FORBID YOU THROW IT TO KNILE DAVIS WIDE ****ING OPEN IN FRONT OF YOU WITH LITERALLY NO DEFENDER IN SIGHT. YOU ****ING BOOGER EATING MIDGET.

I'm not sure how fair it is, since he can't control how tall he is, but look at that GIF again.

I'm fairly certain Chase can't SEE Davis. He's covered up by the mass of linemen. Chase is just too short back there.

Prison Bitch · 08-08-2014, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CallMeSquidwad

??.....????? I am done talking to you, I fear you have brain issues.

He does, and he's stupid to boot.

**RealSNR** · 08-08-2014, 12:20 PM

That's what I don't get.

Reid said something like, "Daniel is the obvious #2." I can't remember the exact wording, but that's basically it.

Uhh... WHAT? From training camp reports and last night, Daniel's in the same shit stack as Bray and Murray.

He's a waste of money, time, and effort.

08-08-2014, 08:42 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4443447	Random Thoughts on the Bengals Preseason Game Feel free to ignore. This is just a catchall for my thoughts on the game. 1. Alex Smith has absolutely nobody to throw to. I'm looking at as much of the field as is shown during the snaps, and nobody is getting open. I'm not even sure Avery and Jenkins played, and Bowe's not exactly known as a receiver who gets wide open anyways. This is extremely troubling, and dooms us against CB-heavy teams like the Seahawks, 49ers, and Patriots (as if we weren't doomed against them already). The good news, however, is that our non-WR receiving corps looks strong. Charles still looks great. Fasano ran routes very well last night, and Kelce has serious promise. DAT looks like he could be sharp on routes, and another year should allow Davis to develop further. But this is a team that had the fewest receptions and yardage at the WR corps of every other team in the league, and we didn't replenish any talent in the Draft, which only featured the deepest WR class in NFL history. **. AND we lost what was a fairly critical piece of that package last year in Dexter McCluster. Basically this means that AJ Jenkins needs to explode this year, that DAT learns the ropes in the slot very quickly, and that Travis Kelce and/or Junior Hemingway takes off, somehow. 2. Really thought Fisher looked really good on all of two plays. I watched him like a hawk, and his runblocking looked far stronger than it ever was last year. Carlos Dunlap is a very big passrusher, however (he's around 290, I think?), and gave Fisher fits on two pass plays, which tells me that the achilles heel Fisher had last year (struggling against strong passrushers) is still going to be a problem this year. On the strip-sack Fisher gave up, Trent Green argued that Fisher did a solid job on the play, but Smith held the ball too long -- which gives me some hope that Fisher is coming along. But Alex Smith does hold the ball too long, and takes sacks rather than throw down field. That's always been Smith's game. If that's the case, than it's going to be yet another atrocious year in the game threads as folks on this forum cry (justifiably or not) about Fisher struggling to come along. As long as he blocks for Alex Smith, he's going to give up coverage sacks. Last year, however, he was just beat like a rug -- I only saw that once yesterday, when Fisher greeted a bullrush too high and got pushed back into Alex Smith's lap. 3. God, we are so fast now. We've started noticing the trend that John Dorsey has an almost Al Davis-like fascination with speed, and that shows on the field now. Charles, DAT, Albert Wilson, Knile Davis, Donnie Avery, and AJ Jenkins. Travis Kelce burned folks on his long play, too. This is as much a track team as we've ever seen, and hopefully that can compensate on offense for our lack of receiving talent. It's noticeable on defense as well. Dee Ford is so fast around the edge, James-Michael Johnson runs like a receiver, and it sure doesn't look like anybody is going to be outrunning Phillip Gaines. 4. Rookies had a rocky performance last night, but it was great seeing them out there. Dee Ford was disruptive against the 2nd team OL, and can close that gap in a hurry. He'll need a couple years to add to his passrush arsenal, and also to work on his coverage and run-stopping abilities. That's stuff that Justin Houston had to do (albeit to a lesser extent) and hopefully Ford will improve leaps and bounds in that respect by this time next year. Phillip Gaines looked lost in coverage -- he was always going to be a project, which is why I saw him more as a 5th rounder than as the 3rd rounder we made him. On that long pass to the endzone he broke up, he showed that elite recovery speed that makes him such an outstanding athlete and could make him a great corner, but he also gave up two touchdowns from players that embarrassed him in routes. He does truly have shutdown potential, however, he just is going to take a while to get there, if he ever does. DAT of course looked brilliant, no comments needed there, and we saw next to nothing of Aaron Murray. Fulton looked... alright. First of all, he looks **ing massive, and not entirely in a good way. He's got a lot of extra love on those love handles, and he's going to get beat by athletic three-techs all year. But he had a decent performance last night against a DL that was missing their most important piece. I do like that he's getting his experience now. (How bad was Rishaw Johnson -- sheesh, maybe Fulton won the job by default.) I didn't notice hardly anything from Duvarney-Tardif, but I'll be rewatching soon. Albert Wilson looks like he could end up being a UDFA gem -- something this team badly needs this year. Wilson looks great in routes (albeit against 2nd and 3rd defenses), has great hands, and excellent speed. 4. As per the DL, Jaye Howard looks awful against the 1st stringers, and frequently looks bade against the 2nd string. I may revise that when I watch the game again, but I doubt it. There were huge holes opening up time after time against him in the run game. He made a couple plays against the 2nd/3rd string OL, but even then he was getting annihilated. I think he's buried on the depth chart behind DeVito and Catapano, so let's just hope we don't see a lot of him this year. That is definitely not working. On the plus side, how good did Allen Bailey look? He's decently stout in the run game, but he's FINALLY providing the passrush from the DE position that this team desperately needs. I believe this is his contract year, and I've always loved his athletic potential. If he plays stout and throws in about 5-6 sacks this year, something he's very capable of doing, there's no reason he shouldn't be re-signed. But there is still a lot of football to play. Vance Walker is a waste of a signing. Wow. Walker provided very little in terms of push at the NT position, and his play against the run was not that great either. He's listed as a backup NT now, but if Poe ever goes down, something tells me the team would rather slide DeVito over than get murdered up the gut thanks to Walker, who has never been a celebrated run defender anyway. 5. 3rd string guys I really like: DE Jairus Campbell, WR Frankie Hammond, QB Tyler Bray, TE Demetrius Harris, CB Kevin Rutland, RB Charcandrick West. 6. I said before that our backup OL was probably the best backup OL we've had on the field since I've been a fan, and you could see that in the 2nd quarter and 2nd half. Against a very deep Bengals team, Knile Davis, Cyrus Gray, and Charcandrick West had holes blasted open for them all game. The Chiefs offensive momentum in this game was almost entirely due to the 2nd string OL dominating on the ground. 7. As I've mentioned, I'll be watching the game a 2nd time, so I'll add thoughts to this thread as I do.
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08-08-2014, 12:08 PM	#114
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	The Chiefs were at or near the top of the league in sacks last year in week 4. In fact, they were still there in week 8. And then teams figured out that they could neutralize our pass rush by running everything short and using a quick release. Our CBs could do nothing to counter it and we've done nothing to upgrade the CB spot. The whole "see you in week 4" crap is beyond ridiculous and anybody that actually watched the games last year would know that.
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08-08-2014, 12:17 PM	#117
saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $4796250	GOD FORBID YOU THROW IT TO KNILE DAVIS WIDE **ING OPEN IN FRONT OF YOU WITH LITERALLY NO DEFENDER IN SIGHT. YOU **ING BOOGER EATING MIDGET.
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