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Old 09-23-2018, 09:39 PM  
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Forget E Thomas...Arizona crumbling...how about Patrick Peterson?
I believe he's in year 5 of a 7 year deal, but his cap hit would be massive. I'm sure we could make it work though. I wonder if Arizona would even answer the phone.
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:01 AM   #16
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Nelson and Scandrick are a liability, I'm not disagreeing, but the safety play has been much worse than CB's at this point. Murray and whoever else is not getting their coverages correct. Basically, their football IQ is low, for whatever reason and cannot stay disciplined.

LB play against the run is OK, but it's well known that they're not coverage LB's, so having an S can help shore up some of the issues, along with EB's return. That's a big IF on EB's return, and how effective he will be.
Exactly. Fuller has struggled a bit but we expect him to improve. Scandrick has actually been pretty solid for the most part.

The middle of the field is a flaming dumpster fire. We need a rangy safety MUCH more than we need another CB right now.
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:04 AM   #17
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:05 AM   #18
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Speaks runs like a defensive end when he's running free...he looks like one too, what were they expecting?
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Old 09-24-2018, 08:39 AM   #19
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I don't see a corner play as a major issue, compared to the safety play. The safety play is a much bigger problem than corners (other than the ILB's).
The funny thing is, against all odds, they're not a bad man coverage team.

But they are an ABYSMAL zone coverage squad. And that's just a mis-match for their game situations. When you're up by 2-3 scores, you want to be able to go into those zones, make them work slowly and eventually get a stop or 2. At least slow them in the red zone.

The game situations have unquestionably called for a bunch of Cover 3 kind of situations and this defense just can't do it.

I originally felt that the corner play was the biggest problem and yeah, they obviously have to be able to play in zone as well. But it's the safeties that are really really struggling with their responsibilities and the middle of that field is CONSTANTLY wide open because of it.

If they're gonna keep playing this much zone (and they will with this offense), they need to figure out their safety play.
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The funny thing is, against all odds, they're not a bad man coverage team.

But they are an ABYSMAL zone coverage squad. And that's just a mis-match for their game situations. When you're up by 2-3 scores, you want to be able to go into those zones, make them work slowly and eventually get a stop or 2. At least slow them in the red zone.

The game situations have unquestionably called for a bunch of Cover 3 kind of situations and this defense just can't do it.

I originally felt that the corner play was the biggest problem and yeah, they obviously have to be able to play in zone as well. But it's the safeties that are really really struggling with their responsibilities and the middle of that field is CONSTANTLY wide open because of it.

If they're gonna keep playing this much zone (and they will with this offense), they need to figure out their safety play.
Well, theres a guy in Seattle that might help?
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Well, theres a guy in Seattle that might help?
Who's pissed off because he doesn't have a contract.

I'm giving a 2nd for the privilege of giving another aging safety a long-term deal. Especially not another '**** you, pay me' safety.

Even if you got him to just shut up and play for a season, I'd be damn reluctant to give up a 2nd round pick for a 13 games from a guy. This team has a LOT of money it needs to spend soon. It is gonna need those damn picks. "Oh, but it'll just be K-Pass again..."

Well that kind of fatalist shit is just saying "Screw it, we have 3 years to win a title and then it's all over". No, we can't just say our picks will suck anyway so trade them. If our picks will suck, fire Veach and find a way to ensure they won't. I don't think they will.
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Old 09-24-2018, 09:04 AM   #22
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This team has won one playoff game in 30 years and people want to play the "we're trying to build a dynasty" card.

Screw that.

Go all in, win a Super Bowl. If it crumbles afterwards, so be it. My bucket list is already checked off, I'll be dead.
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Who's pissed off because he doesn't have a contract.

I'm giving a 2nd for the privilege of giving another aging safety a long-term deal. Especially not another '**** you, pay me' safety.

Even if you got him to just shut up and play for a season, I'd be damn reluctant to give up a 2nd round pick for a 13 games from a guy. This team has a LOT of money it needs to spend soon. It is gonna need those damn picks. "Oh, but it'll just be K-Pass again..."

Well that kind of fatalist shit is just saying "Screw it, we have 3 years to win a title and then it's all over". No, we can't just say our picks will suck anyway so trade them. If our picks will suck, fire Veach and find a way to ensure they won't. I don't think they will.
We would need to give him a new deal
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This team has won one playoff game in 30 years and people want to play the "we're trying to build a dynasty" card.

Screw that.

Go all in, win a Super Bowl. If it crumbles afterwards, so be it. My bucket list is already checked off, I'll be dead.
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We would need to give him a new deal
No.

I wouldn't take him for a 5th if giving him a new deal was a requirement. I am absolutely 100% unwilling to plow any more guaranteed money into aging secondary players. Eric Berry has absolutely fisted us for the last 4 years and Thomas gets pissy and threatens to retire anytime he doesn't get paid.

The guy's been as bad or worse than Berry when it comes to putting his money ahead of everything. I'm not even a little bit interested in that.
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This team has won one playoff game in 30 years and people want to play the "we're trying to build a dynasty" card.

Screw that.

Go all in, win a Super Bowl. If it crumbles afterwards, so be it. My bucket list is already checked off, I'll be dead.
Going all-in works about 1 time in 4. If you can promise me that giving up our next 3 years of 1st rounders would win us a SB this year - sure, I'd do it.

You can't. That's not how football works.
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No.

I wouldn't take him for a 5th if giving him a new deal was a requirement. I am absolutely 100% unwilling to plow any more guaranteed money into aging secondary players. Eric Berry has absolutely fisted us for the last 4 years and Thomas gets pissy and threatens to retire anytime he doesn't get paid.

The guy's been as bad or worse than Berry when it comes to putting his money ahead of everything. I'm not even a little bit interested in that.
I agree with this.
As much fun as it looks on paper, I just can't see it as a smart move.

The Berry situation this year was my final straw.

ACL? Sure.
Cancer? Sure. (and much respect)
Torn Achilles? Sure... but now we start to worry about his body in general.

My heel hurts? Seriously? WTF.
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Going all-in works about 1 time in 4. If you can promise me that giving up our next 3 years of 1st rounders would win us a SB this year - sure, I'd do it.

You can't. That's not how football works.
Trading a 2nd and a 4th for Thomas isn't going all in. It's basically be trading Peter's picks for him. This team traded Peter's thinking we would be maybe 8 and 8 this year, but we are much better, so trading for Thomas is essentially reneging on the Peter's deal. I'll take it.
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Trading a 2nd and a 4th for Thomas isn't going all in. It's basically be trading Peter's picks for him. This team traded Peter's thinking we would be maybe 8 and 8 this year, but we are much better, so trading for Thomas is essentially reneging on the Peter's deal. I'll take it.
If you give a 2nd and a 4 for Thomas, PLUS give him a contract, you're pushing a shitload of chips into the middle because at some point that contract absolutely costs you one of the young players on this team.

And it effectively costs you 2 with the draft pick you gave up as well.

I'm just not willing to do that. I mean you have things like the helmet catch blowing apart perfect seasons. Football is a lunatic, random sport and I'm not willing to take 2 fewer bites at the apple in exchange for a single bigger bite.
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Thomas hasn't had near the injury problems Berry has, matter of fact I expect him to play much longer than Berry.
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