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Old 09-23-2018, 09:39 PM  
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Forget E Thomas...Arizona crumbling...how about Patrick Peterson?
I believe he's in year 5 of a 7 year deal, but his cap hit would be massive. I'm sure we could make it work though. I wonder if Arizona would even answer the phone.
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Old 09-24-2018, 10:29 AM   #61
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Playing for next year has work about ZERO times in 50 years. I'm ready for something different.
Playing with someone else's leftovers is what hasn't worked for 50 years.

Y'know - chasing old veterans to fill holes; that sorta thing.

You're wanting to try the same formula at a different position. This is Marty in the late 90s kind of thinking. Marty got desperate and pushed all in for that last season or 2 and everything fell to shit.

Even the Seahawks never pushed all-in. They won their championship from left field and then for the next 2 years kept trying to double down on it. Things got worse and worse and worse because they never focused on the long-term with their young QB. And now they're going to ruin at least 5 years of his prime.

Again - their title had nothing to do with any attempts to win now. That wasn't the mode they found themselves in. But the hellscape that franchise has now become absolutely IS because of those win-now efforts. You absolutely cannot be reckless with this franchise now. You can't thin this roster out to where we have a 5 year period of wandering the wilderness despite having one of the 3 most valuable commodities in the game on our roster (I mean, what 1-1 trades would you make with the kid?).
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Old 09-24-2018, 10:30 AM   #62
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Exactly this. There isn't one player on the defense that is irreplaceable.
You can't rebuild the defense if you have no capital to do it with.

If you're giving money AND picks, you've locked yourself into this roster around Thomas for the foreseeable future. And frankly, it probably gets worse because again - money and picks have gone to securing Thomas.

And Thomas is going to be a punk once he gets paid.
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Old 09-24-2018, 10:33 AM   #63
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Playing with someone else's leftovers is what hasn't worked for 50 years.

Y'know - chasing old veterans to fill holes; that sorta thing.

You're wanting to try the same formula at a different position. This is Marty in the late 90s kind of thinking. Marty got desperate and pushed all in for that last season or 2 and everything fell to shit.

Even the Seahawks never pushed all-in. They won their championship from left field and then for the next 2 years kept trying to double down on it. Things got worse and worse and worse because they never focused on the long-term with their young QB. And now they're going to ruin at least 5 years of his prime.

Again - their title had nothing to do with any attempts to win now. That wasn't the mode they found themselves in. But the hellscape that franchise has now become absolutely IS because of those win-now efforts. You absolutely cannot be reckless with this franchise now. You can't thin this roster out to where we have a 5 year period of wandering the wilderness despite having one of the 3 most valuable commodities in the game on our roster (I mean, what 1-1 trades would you make with the kid?).
It's all built around the QB. Marty's approach didn't work because he never had the young, good QB.

Seattle won a championship. That's the bottom line. I really don't care about anything beyond that. Do I care that the Royals are awful again? Nope, I don't even pay attention day to day. They won a World Series, my fandom is pretty much complete.
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Old 09-24-2018, 10:34 AM   #64
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It's all built around the QB. Marty's approach didn't work because he never had the young, good QB.

Seattle won a championship. That's the bottom line. I really don't care about anything beyond that.
That makes zero sense.

Seattle didn't win a championship because of any 'win now' moves they made. They won a championship because they had the QB. The situations aren't even remotely analogous.

Seattle's 'dynasty' absolutely fell to shit because of win now moves that...didn't....though.

Seattles a perfect cautionary tale. It's a model of what you DON'T do.
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Old 09-24-2018, 10:35 AM   #65
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How hungry is Thomas? At this point the guy is in it for the money. He has his ring. Is he really going to come in and be Ed Reed in his prime, or is he going to coast? He's actively trying to get Dallas to grab him and it doesn't look like Dallas is going anywhere this year. Is winning a title his priority? Doesn't seem like it.
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Old 09-24-2018, 10:35 AM   #66
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I'm not completely sure why we run a 3-4. Though, I've never really been a fan of it in general.
I wonder if they are willing to do a conversion. Speaks makes more sense a s a 4-3 DE.


LDE: Ford/Speaks
DT: Jones
DT: Nnadi
RDE : Houston/Kpass

ROLB: Hitchens
MLB: Ragland
LOLB: Nieman

LCB: Nelson
RCB: Fuller
SS: Berry
FS: Parker

When you go to nickel, you take Ragland off, bring Scandrick in, and move Fuller to the slot. All of this, obviously, changes after half these guys are replaced in the offseason.
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How hungry is Thomas? At this point the guy is in it for the money. He has his ring. Is he really going to come in and be Ed Reed in his prime, or is he going to coast? He's actively trying to get Dallas to grab him and it doesn't look like Dallas is going anywhere this year. Is winning a title his priority? Doesn't seem like it.
He's hungry enough to go to the opposing lockerroom and tell them to trade for him because he wants to get paid more.

Exactly the kind of guy we want to add to the mix here...
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If you pay Chris Jones even half of Houstons money I am going to shake my head at you in disbelief.
Houston will be gone in 2 years, Berry could realistically be gone in 2 years, Ford will be gone. At this rate we will be paying nobody on defense but maybe FA’s, which is not a good overall plan.

You want to scrap the entire defense and rely solely on draft picks early in their career?
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That makes zero sense.

Seattle didn't win a championship because of any 'win now' moves they made. They won a championship because they had the QB. The situations aren't even remotely analogous.

Seattle's 'dynasty' absolutely fell to shit because of win now moves that...didn't....though.

Seattles a perfect cautionary tale. It's a model of what you DON'T do.
Dude, they won a freaking Super Bowl. You're looking CLEAR past the fact that this team hasn't even BEEN THERE and worrying about a freaking dynasty.

THAT makes zero sense...
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I wonder if they are willing to do a conversion. Speaks makes more sense a s a 4-3 DE.


LDE: Speaks
DT: Jones
DT: Nnadi
RDE : Kpass

ROLB: Hitchens
MLB: Ragland
LOLB: Nieman

LCB: Nelson
RCB: Fuller
SS: Berry
FS: Parker

When you go to nickel, you take Ragland off, bring Scandrick in, and move Fuller to the slot. All of this, obviously, changes after half these guys are replaced in the offseason.
What do you do with Houston? Tell him to **** off? He wasn't exactly useless yesterday and Speaks and Kpassagnon haven't shown shit yet.
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What would you be willing to give for Peterson? I'm assuming at least a 1st.

Hell, if possible, I'd give our 1st for Peterson then turnaround and give a 2nd and 4th for Thomas. We'd be fairly set at that point, just need to work on the front 7 a bit.
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What do you do with Houston? Tell him to **** off? He wasn't exactly useless yesterday and Speaks and Kpassagnon haven't shown shit yet.
Hadn't had coffee yet.

Editing now.
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What do you do with Houston? Tell him to **** off?
I would actually tell him exactly that. Take a pay cut or get out.
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I would actually tell him exactly that. Take a pay cut or get out.
I'm with you there only if Speaks or Kpassagnon show even a smidgen of potential. Thus far those 2 have been all but worthless.
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I'm with you there only if Speaks or Kpassagnon show even a smidgen of potential. Thus far those 2 have been all but worthless.
Nah. If they don't develop, you cut them too. You don't keep underperformance around just because there's nothing to replace them with. Houston is overpaid and underperforming - get rid of him. And if the guys behind him aren't up to the task, get rid of them too.
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