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Old 08-23-2015, 09:19 PM  
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Would you straight up trade Alex Smith for Carr, if you could..
I can't do a poll on this crap phone so chime in...


Who would you rather have, Right NOW,


Smith or Carr?
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Old 08-23-2015, 10:03 PM   #16
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Old 08-23-2015, 10:03 PM   #17
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Clay must of missed Murrays like 80 yard TD run. Yep....never happened. It's all Carr.
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Old 08-23-2015, 10:04 PM   #18
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Wow. Ever stop to consider why that kind of performance was good enough to beat the Chiefs?
Thursday Night Football in a total monsoon. Super ideal conditions for NFL football.

but I know, I know ... excuses, right? I'm just an Alex Smith homer. I should just wish we had Derek Carr because, well .. because, well ... he's ... 23?
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Old 08-23-2015, 10:06 PM   #19
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super wonder how Clay's [former] gospel rated Derek Carr last year ...

have a super strong feeling it wasn't very high
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Old 08-23-2015, 10:12 PM   #21
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Andrew Luck really ****ed up the perception of what a QB should be doing his first few years in the league. People are making judgements regarding this guy after 1 year on a shit team.
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Old 08-23-2015, 10:13 PM   #22
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Andrew Luck really ****ed up the perception of what a QB should be doing his first few years in the league. People are making judgements regarding this guy after 1 year on a shit team.
Nah. Luck did nothing out of the ordinary anymore. Any rookie QB can walk into this passing league and excel from the start if they have talent. Newton did it. Dalton did it. Wilson did it. Ryan did it. This isn't 1998. It's a QB league. If you have it, you have it. This isn't "sit Palmer for 1 year and let him learn" NFL anymore.

That's why comparing Peyton Manning to John Elway by numbers is pointless ... and comparing Peyton Manning's rookie year to Andrew Luck's rookie year is pointless. Totally different leagues. Totally different contexts.
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Derek Carr in a heartbeat.
I think he might have potential to be an NFL backup until about 2020. Maybe. I'm really not quite sure he's a top 60 NFL QB.
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Nah. Luck did nothing out of the ordinary anymore. Any rookie QB can walk into this passing league and excel from the start if they have talent. Newton did it. Dalton did it. Wilson did it. Ryan did it. This isn't 1998. It's a QB league. If you have it, you have it. This isn't "sit Palmer for 1 year and let him learn" NFL anymore.

That's why comparing Peyton Manning to John Elway by numbers is pointless ... and comparing Peyton Manning's rookie year to Andrew Luck's rookie year is pointless. Totally different leagues. Totally different contexts.
isn't that black and white, unfortunately.
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Newtons first two games were back to back 400 yard games IIRC.
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isn't that black and white, unfortunately.
Oh. It is.

The QB records are hilarious. They're all a joke. Manning is going to break them all ... and then in 15 years, Luck and the new crew are just going to destroy everything.

It's a passing league in 2015. By 2020? Running plays are just going to be ... not common.
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Nah. Luck did nothing out of the ordinary anymore. Any rookie QB can walk into this passing league and excel from the start if they have talent. Newton did it. Dalton did it. Wilson did it. Ryan did it. This isn't 1998. It's a QB league. If you have it, you have it. This isn't "sit Palmer for 1 year and let him learn" NFL anymore.

That's why comparing Peyton Manning to John Elway by numbers is pointless ... and comparing Peyton Manning's rookie year to Andrew Luck's rookie year is pointless. Totally different leagues. Totally different contexts.
Nothing out of the ordinary? 4400 yards as a rookie snd nearly 5000 in a third year with a shit cast isnt ordinary.
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a shit cast?

lol

I'm just tired of it.
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Oh. It is.

The QB records are hilarious. They're all a joke. Manning is going to break them all ... and then in 15 years, Luck and the new crew are just going to destroy everything.

It's a passing league in 2015. By 2020? Running plays are just going to be ... not common.
Maybe. Same way the "newtons, kaepernicks, RG3, and wilsons" are gonna change the game as we know it. They are a nice new wrinkle.. but pocket passing is where it will always be. Being able to run the ball will always be a need, esp in the playoffs.
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